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everything they need up to what point?  you are talking about the basic needs I am assuming
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Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

Ok maysay I must have misunderstood because in other threads you spoke of actively working against parenting in poverty

And that you focus your attention/time/resources on "preventing" parenting in poverty because you care about that much more strongly than say fair wages for women




There are 2 types of parenting "in poverty". 1) I have no way to take care of my children but through government programs and community/family handouts and can't provide basics like safety and 2)my income is below or near the poverty line but I provide everything my children need without outside help.

I am totally against 1. And because I am against it I am FOR other things like: universal healthcare (and birth control), universal education, good public transportation, an automatic basic income for all adults, etc. Because by giving people these things automatically they are more likely to be well adjusted and successful and therefore less likely to be parenting in poverty.

I just can't agree with anything you're saying.
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Originally posted by Bribby Bribby wrote:

Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

Ok maysay I must have misunderstood because in other threads you spoke of actively working against parenting in poverty

And that you focus your attention/time/resources on "preventing" parenting in poverty because you care about that much more strongly than say fair wages for women




There are 2 types of parenting "in poverty". 1) I have no way to take care of my children but through government programs and community/family handouts and can't provide basics like safety and 2)my income is below or near the poverty line but I provide everything my children need without outside help.

I am totally against 1. And because I am against it I am FOR other things like: universal healthcare (and birth control), universal education, good public transportation, an automatic basic income for all adults, etc. Because by giving people these things automatically they are more likely to be well adjusted and successful and therefore less likely to be parenting in poverty.

I just can't agree with anything you're saying.


So you can't agree with universal healthcare and education and things like that? ok then.
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My LO (little one) will be 6 months when I return to work in August.... 
I would love to be able to SAH with him or work part-time but it's not currently an option. 
I knew this when we decided to TTC (try to conceive)... 
However I choose a career that I thought would be family friendly (education)
I work 10 months out of a year... yeah for summer breaks
He will attend daycare while we are at work like many other children..
I'm sure I will be sad at each drop off and miss his smile and laugh during the day... sighhhhh 
Unfortunately that's our reality 

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Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


everything they need up to what point?  you are talking about the basic needs I am assuming


Yes, basic needs. Not wants/luxuries.

You have one family below the poverty line and they have to depend on WIC, daycare subsidies, free breakfast/lunch program, section 8, medicaid, and having family members provide things like diapers or whatever.

Then you have another family below the poverty line but they own their own home, feed their own kids, pay their own health insurance, etc.

I have a problem with people bringing children into a situation like number 1. I think there are societal changes we can make that makes that choice much less likely, or if it happens, much less detrimental to the child.
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Damn, now getting reduced lunch at school throws you into the bad parent category.

I smell a really false dichotomy.
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I am for things like that, they're just not in the US near future.

How is WIC, free breakfast, medicaid detrimental to a child?

Almost any pregnant woman can get on medicaid, that's awesome do you know how much it cost to have a child?
Do you know how it's detrimental for a family to NOT be able to take their child to the hospital because they just cant afford it, what if that child dies, when they could be on medicaid.

I think it depends on the people raising the child, not the HELP out there that IS needed.

WIC anybody can get that as well.. 

There are family below poverty line but above being able to get help, how about them..
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What if there is a family that sends their kids to daycare, has their kids get reduced lunch, gets hand-me-downs from family but also owns their own home, and pays for their own health insurance.

Which category do they fall in? 1 or 2?
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I don't see why this is difficult to understand.

Having a child is a choice. If you cannot afford to care for said child (food, shelter, medical care, safety, etc.) then you should not have a child. And you certainly shouldn't have multiple children.

But, because I believe that communities are only as strong as the individuals in them and that children should not have to suffer for the mistakes of their dumb ass parents, I support having a strong safety net to provide for those children. Though ideally the safety net would be more focused on preventing those situations in the first place.

It is simple.
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Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


everything they need up to what point?  you are talking about the basic needs I am assuming


Yes, basic needs. Not wants/luxuries.

You have one family below the poverty line and they have to depend on WIC, daycare subsidies, free breakfast/lunch program, section 8, medicaid, and having family members provide things like diapers or whatever.

Then you have another family below the poverty line but they own their own home, feed their own kids, pay their own health insurance, etc.

I have a problem with people bringing children into a situation like number 1. I think there are societal changes we can make that makes that choice much less likely, or if it happens, much less detrimental to the child.


I guess extracurricular activities, scholastic programs and college are wants/luxuries
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