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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

I think she's (OP's friend) very frustrated but it still stands.  She has to leave now, no question about it.  It is a fact that new employers value what others have passed up.  If I had a simple career track AND the pay I wanted at my first company I probably would have settled in and stayed.   Even when I reached the manager/director level my pay represented where I started, not where I was or what I had achieved.   Leaving gave me $20 thousand more per year.   And the next job another $20K.  That should happen as you progress in your current company but it doesn't.   This in-between phase is the only time you get to set your pay requirements for the exact same work!

Existing employers are rarely willing to raise an employees salary that much regardless of progressive promotion and longevity.   It speaks volumes to how undervalued long term employees can become.  A good rule of thumb is to change jobs at least every 5-10 years.  It sounds crazy but honestly you become less appreciated when you stay and it shouldn't be that way.  The days of retiring from the company you started with have been gone forever.  Our parents were able to do this and make it to the middle class.  Now you only get a pension if you're lucky enough to be in a sector that uses it to compete.  Nobody cares about employees that way anymore and its easier/better for them to suppress wages.   Sad environment.    If she sucks this up and stays she is basically going to see this repeated many times and if/when they do promote her the salary increase will be a joke.  Better to move on. 

I could have used less words here but the general idea is that once they demonstrate something less than appreciation and recognition to you go elsewhere. 



so true and so sad
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my DH has always told me the best time to negotiate salary is when you get there.
He is crazy w/that lol
He has changed jobs 3 times in 6 years I think. It's worked out.


our 1L writing project was about racism in the legal field
these court cases will have u like Ouch
all in your feelings


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Originally posted by BeatriceBean BeatriceBean wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


I need a mentor

 
YES!
 
This should be someone who has influence within your industry, preferably in your organization, and will be willing to act as a link between key people whom you should know. They should also know your work and your character so that they can go to bat for you when you're looking for new projects, more responsibilities, or a different role.


I don't know any black women that fit this description

I don't know any non blacks either to be fair but I would want a black woman to be my mentor

no one in my company fits this description

I need to go to more meetings given by the professional organizations I belong to

even when I go to the few meetings I do that go to, I am one of few blacks that are there, if any others are there at all

and the ones that are there are either the one black top exe or they are a few levels under me or admin

I'll make more of an effort though

and my dad would do what you all suggest, ask for more money and if they didn't give it to him he get another job

but he was in IT and this was in the 80s and 90s

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you have a hard time finding black mentors in DMV area?
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in my past experience, IT people can pretty much ask for what they want in salary. Especially if you're valued, and they don't want to lose you or your designs/code.
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Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:

Originally posted by BeatriceBean BeatriceBean wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


I need a mentor

 
YES!
 
This should be someone who has influence within your industry, preferably in your organization, and will be willing to act as a link between key people whom you should know. They should also know your work and your character so that they can go to bat for you when you're looking for new projects, more responsibilities, or a different role.


I don't know any black women that fit this description

I don't know any non blacks either to be fair but I would want a black woman to be my mentor

no one in my company fits this description

I need to go to more meetings given by the professional organizations I belong to

even when I go to the few meetings I do that go to, I am one of few blacks that are there, if any others are there at all

and the ones that are there are either the one black top exe or they are a few levels under me or admin

I'll make more of an effort though

and my dad would do what you all suggest, ask for more money and if they didn't give it to him he get another job

but he was in IT and this was in the 80s and 90s
 
I don't know which branch of psych you work in (I know you're in research though) but I have a great friend who would be a great resource. If she wouldn't be a good mentor (possibly because of difference in career scope) then she could definitely connect you with someone who could. I'll send you a PM.
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so glad not to have this to deal with. Must be quite maddening. sigh
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Originally posted by PurplePhase PurplePhase wrote:

you have a hard time finding black mentors in DMV area?


mostly because I haven't happened across them

not because I have sought them out and found none

and thank you BB!
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ok. good luck.
I was just thinking if you can't find one in dmv, they aren't out there LOL. I love that there are so many blacks in position of power in careers in that area.


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yeah, thanks BB. Big smile
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