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Marines delay female fitness plan after half fail

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FILE - This Feb. 21, 2013 file photo shows female recruits at the Marine Corps Training Depot on Parris Island, S.C. More than half of female Marines in boot camp can't do three pull-ups, the minimum standard that was supposed to take effect with the new year. So the Corps is delaying the requirement. All the service branches are working on devising standards, training and other policies needed to open thousands of combat roles to women in 2016. (AP Photo/Bruce Smith, File)
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on January 03, 2014 at 12:21 AM, updated January 03, 2014 at 12:24 AM
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WASHINGTON -- More than half of female Marines in boot camp can't do three pullups, the minimum standard that was supposed to take effect with the new year, prompting the Marine Corps to delay the requirement, part of the process of equalizing physical standards to integrate women into combat jobs.

The delay rekindled sharp debate in the military on the question of whether women have the physical strength for some military jobs, as service branches move toward opening thousands of combat roles to them in 2016.

Although no new timetable has been set on the delayed physical requirement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos wants training officials to "continue to gather data and ensure that female Marines are provided with the best opportunity to succeed," Capt. Maureen Krebs, a Marine spokeswoman, said Thursday.

Starting with the new year, all female Marines were supposed to be able to do at least three pullups on their annual physical fitness test and eight for a perfect score. The requirement was tested in 2013 on female recruits at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, S.C., but only 45 percent of women met the minimum, Krebs said.

The Marines had hoped to institute the pullups on the belief that pullups require the muscular strength necessary to perform common military tasks such as scaling a wall, climbing up a rope or lifting and carrying heavy munitions.

Officials felt there wasn't a medical risk to putting the new standard into effect as planned across the service, but that the risk of losing recruits and hurting retention of women already in the service was unacceptably high, she said.

Because the change is being put off, women will be able to choose which test of upper-body strength they will be graded on in their annual physical fitness test. Their choices:

--Pullups, with three the minimum. Three is also the minimum for male Marines, but they need 20 for a perfect rating.

--A flexed-arm hang. The minimum is for 15 seconds; women get a perfect score if they last for 70 seconds. Men don't do the hang in their test.

Officials said training for pullups can change a person's strength, while training for the flex-arm hang does little to adapt muscular strength needed for military tasks

The delay on the standard could be another wrinkle in the plan to begin allowing women to serve in jobs previously closed to them such as infantry, armor and artillery units.

The decision to suspend the scheduled pull-up requirement "is a clear indication" that plans to move women into direct ground combat fighting teams will not work, said Elaine Donnelly, president of the conservative Center for Military Readiness and a critic of allowing women into infantry jobs.

"When officials claim that men and women are being trained the same, they are referring to bare minimums, not maximum qualifications that most men can meet but women cannot," Donnelly wrote in an email to The Associated Press. "Awarding gender-normed scores so that women can succeed lowers standards for all. Women will suffer more injuries and resentment they do not deserve, and men will be less prepared for the demands of direct ground combat."

The military services are working to figure out how to move women into newly opened jobs and have been devising updated physical standards, training, education and other programs for thousands of jobs they must open Jan. 1, 2016, said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen, a Defense Department spokesman. They must open as many jobs to women as possible; if they decide to keep some closed, they must explain why.

Military brass has said repeatedly that physical standards won't be lowered to accommodate female applicants. Success for women in training for the upcoming openings has come in fits and starts.

In fall 2012, only two female Marines volunteered for the 13-week infantry officers training course at Quantico, Va., and both failed to complete it.

But the following fall, three Marines became the first women to graduate from the Corps' enlisted infantry training school in North Carolina. They completed the same test standards as the men in the course, which included a 12-mile march with an 80-pound pack and various combat fitness trials such as timed ammunition container lifts and tests that simulate running under combat fire.

Officials had added specific training for female recruits when the pullup requirement was announced in December 2012, and they came up with a workout program for women already serving.

Military testing for physical skill and stamina has changed over the decades with needs of the armed forces. Officials say the first recorded history of Marine Corps physical fitness tests, for example, was 1908 when President Theodore Roosevelt ordered that staff officers must ride horseback 90 miles and line officers walk 50 miles over a three-day period to pass. A test started in 1956 included chinups, pushups, broad jump, 50-yard duck waddle and running.

The first test for women was started in 1969: A 120-yard shuttle run, vertical jump, knee pushups, 600-yard run/walk and situps.



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I really don't understand women wanting combat jobs.

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welp....be in it to win it.  get your game up.  these tests need to be equal.  if a man is required to do 20 pull up then it needs to be the same for women.
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Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

welp....be in it to win it.  get your game up.  these tests need to be equal.  if a man is required to do 20 pull up then it needs to be the same for women.

Meh...I disagree. The point should be not only to meet a certain standard, but also to challenge yourself. A man shouldn't just get off with doing three pull ups if it's nothing for him to do while a woman is struggling to do them. If they want Marines to be able to do a minimum of three pull ups, fine, but then men should do six. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the same requirements seeing as one gender is intrinsically more capable. Endeavor to the best of your ability. All my opinion of course.
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Physically men and women are just different.
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If a woman wants to be in combat cool but I don't know how this plays into effectiveness in combat if we have to grade her on a curve.
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Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

If a woman wants to be in combat cool but I don't know how this plays into effectiveness in combat if we have to grade her on a curve.




this is my point.  if you're going into combat...u need to be strong period.  yeah men are naturally stronger but I see no reason that being a marine u only doing ...not even 3 pull ups?  I thought marines were supposed to be bad ass?
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

welp....be in it to win it.  get your game up.  these tests need to be equal.  if a man is required to do 20 pull up then it needs to be the same for women.

Meh...I disagree. The point should be not only to meet a certain standard, but also to challenge yourself. A man shouldn't just get off with doing three pull ups if it's nothing for him to do while a woman is struggling to do them. If they want Marines to be able to do a minimum of three pull ups, fine, but then men should do six. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the same requirements seeing as one gender is intrinsically more capable. Endeavor to the best of your ability. All my opinion of course.

Huh? You don't think men and women should have to meet the same requirements if they want to do the same job? I could understand your point if these women were engaging in less strenuous combat, but they're not. 


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Originally posted by femmemichelle femmemichelle wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

welp....be in it to win it.  get your game up.  these tests need to be equal.  if a man is required to do 20 pull up then it needs to be the same for women.

Meh...I disagree. The point should be not only to meet a certain standard, but also to challenge yourself. A man shouldn't just get off with doing three pull ups if it's nothing for him to do while a woman is struggling to do them. If they want Marines to be able to do a minimum of three pull ups, fine, but then men should do six. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the same requirements seeing as one gender is intrinsically more capable. Endeavor to the best of your ability. All my opinion of course.

Huh? You don't think men and women should have to meet the same requirements if they want to do the same job? I could understand your point if these women were engaging in less strenuous combat, but they're not. 



No, I don't think so. I think there should be a minimum requirement for all Marines and then an additional one for men. The minimum is to be certain they can perform the job and the additional one for men is to be sure they are performing to the best of their abilities. 
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They're all going to be on the same front line so they ALL need to be on the same level physically. When their fellow soldiers are down they have to be carried...
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