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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by bunzaveli bunzaveli wrote:

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There are so many of them but they simply didn't proclaim their haitian heritage and often were thought of as African American.

Aren't they?


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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

About Usher, they're saying his father is Haitian and his mother is born in Tennessee. He's been mum about it though.
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I promise I'm just asking but what was he supposed to say?
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Originally posted by Ds2nice Ds2nice wrote:

Let me be clear that i'm not saying all Haitians look the same. I maybe wrong with my assumptions but I normally guess right when I see a Haitian (with the exception of a couple of Africans).  I really don't know how to describe the features because I don't have the science down pack.   I just know when I see them.  Perhaps its because I'm always around Haitians and Jamaicans and know the difference.  I really don't know.
 
 I even had a strong feeling about Usher a long time ago.   The same with Lloyd.
 
Even my Haitian friends can point out other Haitian people.  When we people watch, we pick them out all the time.  We prove it when he/she speaks Creole to them and they respond back. 
 
 
 
 

I mean my mom can identify her countrymen very easily.  I just wanted to hear it from someone who isn't Haitian. 
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by bunzaveli bunzaveli wrote:

aintevenknowit


There are so many of them but they simply didn't proclaim their haitian heritage and often were thought of as African American.


Aren't they?



Well technically they're Haitian American. They're obviously black though. When they check that box, I'm sure they check African American and feel that kinship. Like I said previously, a lot of these celebrities didn't advertise their origins sadly because it used to be a time where Haitians weren't accepted in the AA community and were stigmatized simply for being Haitian. That is a fact that a lot of my cousins grew up with. The tide seemed to turn around the time the Fugees came out and people started wearing their stripes proudly. I never saw see other Caribbean American celebrities being all that secretive about their roots. A lot of these celebs felt that it was better for their careers to hide it. It is what it is. Just being frank about it.

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Okay so...if you are African by blood and are born in raised in America that doesn't make you African American? 

But then again I'm not derived from any Caribbean country so maybe there's a nuance in this I'm overlooking (or maybe it has nothing to do with being American).

I understand claiming Haitian American. But they're still African American at the same time. They're not not African American.

I respect your opinion though.
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African American in the way originally used by Americans means that you are a descendant of American slaves.  They're all black but not African-American [if they were born in America].  I may identify as AA simply bc American society does not really care about the differences of culture w/in the black community.  Whereas white people can be Irish, Italian, Jewish, English, German, etc.  Now it just kinda means Black in America.

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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Okay so...if you are African by blood and are born in raised in America that doesn't make you African American? 

But then again I'm not derived from any Caribbean country so maybe there's a nuance in this I'm overlooking (or maybe it has nothing to do with being American).

I understand claiming Haitian American. But they're still African American at the same time. They're not not African American.

I respect your opinion though.


Of course. By extension, they are. It's just that if you have a specific country of reference, you tend to use it first. That,s how most nationalities do because they are attached to their culture. Nigerian, kenyan, jamaican, barbadian, haitian, puerto rican, dominican, etc.. That doesn't negate the African component because it's obvious.
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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

African American means that you are a descendant of American slaves.  They're all black but not African-American [if they were born in America].  I may identify as AA simply bc American society does not really care about the differences of culture w/in the black community.  Whereas white people can be Irish, Italian, Jewish, English, German, etc.

I never knew all that was implied by that term. I have my doubts but okay. 
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^Americans coined the term bc they didn't want to be called negro or colored.  I'm pretty certain they weren't thinking about the other black populations who were in the US or who would eventually migrate. It was during the era of desegregation & blacks wanted to cement their role in American society. Like we've been here, built this nation, and we're Americans too!...that kinda thing.
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