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Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

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it's only FIVE pages! It's a good read
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SAD but real!
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I see your point TC and I trust you guys and I think I'm being too generous with her. That thinking is just more naive analysis that doesn't help. The other thing I realize is that she wrote that TO white people and left the back door open to us. Then the last worst thing is her rebuttal is weak as fck because she has no place of understanding to position her defense from. If she has experience in the hood she should have used that in her argument. She is not ready for this fight so she needs to sit all the way down.

I guess I felt sorry for her but it doesn't take long for me to go from that mental space to kiss my entire ass once I see you ain't bout dat life

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LOL  it seems to me, she started (albeit armed only with what her mother told her) out thinking thirst, work, acting "wright" would gain true acceptance from yt america.  clearly, that was the end goal. 
 
aa culture/experiences merely served initially as a road map of what not to do (self serving) and then eventually as a quasi rationale to help her process why her original goal was never/won't ever be achieved (self serving).  no where in any of that was there ever any real concern or understanding of aa's in so far as i am concerned.
 
which brings me to her weak azz responses...lol.  they are are weak because despite it all, she still seems to be drawn to yt america and likely still holds onto most of the negative perceptions she's always had of aa's in the first place.
 
so with all that being said, i give her a nice....wanna be...but not quite...more work to do...more to learn...reformed coon status...LOL
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LOL @ reformed coon status
Again - the love I have for you and whyHeart
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I didn't interpret anything in that girl's story about seeking acceptance from whites.  I saw it as a story of an immigrant who achieved the "dream" but never felt at home because she didn't relate to whites or Black Americans.
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I don't think that she wanted acceptance from white America. She just wanted acceptance, and in living in the US realized that a "white America" existed. She realized that it didn't matter how smart she was. She was still black.

People coming from outside of the country have a completely different perspective of race. My family is from the West Indies and while CLEARLY knew they knew they weren't white, they couldn't fully relate to the American Black Experience either. The history of black people in America does affect them (white people don't really care WHERE you're from), and they had to learn to adjust around it, but that is not the explicit social structure in their home countries. Their government officials look and sounded like them. Their culture was reflected to them everywhere they went. It wasn't one world inside of another like it is here.

So, I do understand where she is coming from. In my observation in college, black immigrant students almost always had friendship groups where they were the only black person or one of like 2. When I would talk to them, they would say that they weren't "black" enough to the black students and they couldn't really relate. Other black people saw it as them being bougie or denying their blackness. Black American culture is a very distinct subculture with a set of rules. If you don't fall in-line people don't know what to do with you. IE I'm American but have lived overseas. When I came back to the US in high-school, black people did not know what to do with my accent/life experience/style of dress, etc. As much as I WANTED to kick it with the black people, it was aaaaalll the other races that spoke to me, invited me to events, etc. The black people kinda just gawked.

Now that my accent has faded that barrier is totally gone. It's kinda funny really.

I don't know how this got so long. I guess I understand both sides being West Indian and American.
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Originally posted by uppitynegroid uppitynegroid wrote:

I didn't interpret anything in that girl's story about seeking acceptance from whites.  I saw it as a story of an immigrant who achieved the "dream" but never felt at home because she didn't relate to whites or Black Americans.


I guess I coulda just said this instead....
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Originally posted by Miss B Miss B wrote:

Originally posted by uppitynegroid uppitynegroid wrote:

I didn't interpret anything in that girl's story about seeking acceptance from whites.  I saw it as a story of an immigrant who achieved the "dream" but never felt at home because she didn't relate to whites or Black Americans.


I guess I coulda just said this instead....
 
I was just too lazy to post what you said. LOL 
 
What she described is a common black immigrant experience, the story of my life basically. 
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