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You know what?  I am just about sick and tired of white people acting as though they have the authority to compare struggles.  The struggle for civil rights for gays and blacks are similar in some respects, but they are in no way the same. 

I sometimes think whites like to compare the black struggle to that of women, gays, Jews (to which there is historical evidence that they were, in fact, never enslaved by the Egyptians--but that is another thread) and other groups to trivialize our struggle and to tell us, "It's not really THAT bad.  Other groups struggled, too!"
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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

You know what?  I am just about sick and tired of white people acting as though they have the authority to compare struggles.  The struggle for civil rights for gays and blacks are similar in some respects, but they are in no way the same. 

I sometimes think whites like to compare the black struggle to that of women, gays, Jews (to which there is historical evidence that they were, in fact, never enslaved by the Egyptians--but that is another thread) and other groups to trivialize our struggle and to tell us, "It's not really THAT bad.  Other groups struggled, too!"


care to share that info? I have never heard that before
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Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

You know what?  I am just about sick and tired of white people acting as though they have the authority to compare struggles.  The struggle for civil rights for gays and blacks are similar in some respects, but they are in no way the same. 

I sometimes think whites like to compare the black struggle to that of women, gays, Jews (to which there is historical evidence that they were, in fact, never enslaved by the Egyptians--but that is another thread) and other groups to trivialize our struggle and to tell us, "It's not really THAT bad.  Other groups struggled, too!"


care to share that info? I have never heard that before


Well, according to several Egyptologists and historians, they say that the claim that Hebrews were enslaved was false.  They said that according to hieroglyphic writings, there was no mention of a people called "Hebrew" they had interacted with, let alone conquered.  Jews claim that they were enslaved and built the pyramids, but it is well known by historians that foreign people or slaves would not have been ALLOWED to build the pyramids because it was a job that was seen as very prestigious.  Those who were chosen to build pyramids for the ruling king were paid and treated very well and I believe they were even allowed to be buried either in or near the pyramid when they died.

Some are even saying that the time frames for the building of the pyramids and Hebrew presence in Egypt is completely off. 

I read one article by a guy who studied ancient Egypt who said even the term "pharaoh" was not a term used by the ancient Egyptians and was, in fact, a foreign word that did not necessarily appear in hieroglyphs. 

The name "Moses" is a slight variation of the Egyptian word for "son," for example, Rah-messes is the son of the god Rah, so they are saying "the Moses" could have been one of many different people, as it was a generic name.
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Thanks...I need to research that.
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Originally posted by Flowing-Ice Flowing-Ice wrote:

no, never.
not every injustice is equivalent to the other. 
every marginalized person shouldn't be automatically in support of the other. 


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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

You know what?  I am just about sick and tired of white people acting as though they have the authority to compare struggles.  The struggle for civil rights for gays and blacks are similar in some respects, but they are in no way the same. 

I sometimes think whites like to compare the black struggle to that of women, gays, Jews (to which there is historical evidence that they were, in fact, never enslaved by the Egyptians--but that is another thread) and other groups to trivialize our struggle and to tell us, "It's not really THAT bad.  Other groups struggled, too!"


care to share that info? I have never heard that before


Well, according to several Egyptologists and historians, they say that the claim that Hebrews were enslaved was false.  They said that according to hieroglyphic writings, there was no mention of a people called "Hebrew" they had interacted with, let alone conquered.  Jews claim that they were enslaved and built the pyramids, but it is well known by historians that foreign people or slaves would not have been ALLOWED to build the pyramids because it was a job that was seen as very prestigious.  Those who were chosen to build pyramids for the ruling king were paid and treated very well and I believe they were even allowed to be buried either in or near the pyramid when they died.

Some are even saying that the time frames for the building of the pyramids and Hebrew presence in Egypt is completely off. 

I read one article by a guy who studied ancient Egypt who said even the term "pharaoh" was not a term used by the ancient Egyptians and was, in fact, a foreign word that did not necessarily appear in hieroglyphs. 

The name "Moses" is a slight variation of the Egyptian word for "son," for example, Rah-messes is the son of the god Rah, so they are saying "the Moses" could have been one of many different people, as it was a generic name.
LOLThose are the same folks that's steeel trying to convince the whole world that the land of Egypt (or Mizraim, to get technical) was only populated by people who looked like this though:



So I wouldn't take anything that these so called Historians or Egyptologist say seriously. Lets not forget that the people living there now didn't descend from the people that originally dwelled in that land and ruled at the time. 
Zahi Hawass
being an expert on Egyptian history and antiquities is like some white person trying to do the same for the Natives of North, South and Central AmericaStern Smile

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One of my favorite TV scenes of all time. And then when Aunt Viv came in and that pecker-wood made her so mad she took off her errangs? MAN!  LOL
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Originally posted by blaquefoxx blaquefoxx wrote:

Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

You know what?  I am just about sick and tired of white people acting as though they have the authority to compare struggles.  The struggle for civil rights for gays and blacks are similar in some respects, but they are in no way the same. 

I sometimes think whites like to compare the black struggle to that of women, gays, Jews (to which there is historical evidence that they were, in fact, never enslaved by the Egyptians--but that is another thread) and other groups to trivialize our struggle and to tell us, "It's not really THAT bad.  Other groups struggled, too!"


care to share that info? I have never heard that before


Well, according to several Egyptologists and historians, they say that the claim that Hebrews were enslaved was false.  They said that according to hieroglyphic writings, there was no mention of a people called "Hebrew" they had interacted with, let alone conquered.  Jews claim that they were enslaved and built the pyramids, but it is well known by historians that foreign people or slaves would not have been ALLOWED to build the pyramids because it was a job that was seen as very prestigious.  Those who were chosen to build pyramids for the ruling king were paid and treated very well and I believe they were even allowed to be buried either in or near the pyramid when they died.

Some are even saying that the time frames for the building of the pyramids and Hebrew presence in Egypt is completely off. 

I read one article by a guy who studied ancient Egypt who said even the term "pharaoh" was not a term used by the ancient Egyptians and was, in fact, a foreign word that did not necessarily appear in hieroglyphs. 

The name "Moses" is a slight variation of the Egyptian word for "son," for example, Rah-messes is the son of the god Rah, so they are saying "the Moses" could have been one of many different people, as it was a generic name.
LOLThose are the same folks that's steeel trying to convince the whole world that the land of Egypt (or Mizraim, to get technical) was only populated by people who looked like this though:



So I wouldn't take anything that these so called Historians or Egyptologist say seriously. Lets not forget that the people living there now didn't descend from the people that originally dwelled in that land and ruled at the time. 
Zahi Hawass
being an expert on Egyptian history and antiquities is like some white person trying to do the same for the Natives of North, South and Central AmericaStern Smile



Most credible historians do not agree with the Hollywood portrayal of Egypt, so your analysis is a bit misguided.  There are Egyptians who study this who have said that there is no evidence in any hieroglyphs they have come across that says Hebrews were enslaved by Egyptians.  Again, the greater community that studies ancient Egypt agrees that the people who are there now are not the people who were around during Egypt, but they also say that there is NO RECORD of Hebrews being enslaved OR building pyramids.  So, if you want to refute the records of the ancient Egyptians themselves, then I would imagine you would have to come up with some pretty fantastic evidence to change well-established facts. 

To say that a person not native to a certain region of the world can't become an expert in its history is kind of ridiculous.  I mean, just because Basil Davidson happens to be a white guy, I don't automatically disregard his research on Africa because of it.  It's only when one wants to push a certain agenda that I become a bit suspicious. 

I mean, can we say that you, yourself, are doing the same thing?  Imposing your ideas about the cultural and social habits of ancient Egyptians that weren't true?  Do you mean to tell me that you know better than ancient Egyptians about the economic and social constructs of pyramid building?

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aaaannnnnd we're off! 
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To anyone interested, some interesting stuff:

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