Afro-Latinos

Originally posted by SinDerElla Originally posted by talia Reppin' Colombia!!!      Que viva la raza latina!          hermana!!!!

Did anyone else besides me find "Latino in America" slightly annoying? It was full of stereotypes (everyone Latina was either a pregnant teen, high school drop-out or both) and they kept talking about illegal immigration as if all Latinos are here illegally. I wish they would have shown more families like the Afro-Dominican/Puerto Rican Garcia family in part 1 and they should have also explained the differences between the words "hispanic" and "latino." 

Edited by Luvlee06 - 28 Oct 2009 at 12:23pm

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Originally posted by Luvlee06 Did anyone else besides me find "Latino in America" slightly annoying? It was full of stereotypes (everyone Latina was either a pregnant teen, high school drop-out or both) and they kept talking about illegal immigration as if all Latinos are here illegally. I wish they would have shown more families like the Afro-Dominican/Puerto Rican Garcia family in part 1 and they should have also explained the differences between the words "hispanic" and "latino."

^^ Yes, he did..

Edited by rumebra - 28 Oct 2009 at 1:36pm

Originally posted by coconutmilk Originally posted by Luvlee06 Did anyone else besides me find "Latino in America" slightly annoying? It was full of stereotypes (everyone Latina was either a pregnant teen, high school drop-out or both) and they kept talking about illegal immigration as if all Latinos are here illegally. I wish they would have shown more families like the Afro-Dominican/Puerto Rican Garcia family in part 1 and they should have also explained the differences between the words "hispanic" and "latino."        I  was  slighty  annoyed  that  they  were  being  depicted  as  "Hispanics"  as  not  as  black  people.   I  understand  that  Latin  Americans  come  in  different  races   or  that   the  term  "Latino"  doesn't  designate  a  particular  race;  however  they  should   have   been  depicted  in  the  "Black  in  America"  documentary  instead.   They  are   still   black  people.   I  don't  understand  how  Africans,  Haitians,  Jamaicans,  Bahamians,  black  Americans,  etc.  are  considered  as  "blacks",   whereas  those  from  Latin  countries  or  have  family  roots  from  those  regions  such  as  Cubans,  Puerto  Ricans,  Dominicans,  Colombians,  Panamanians,  Hondurans,  etc.  are  placed  into  a  different  racial  category   as  "Latinos"?   The  only  difference  between  them  and  other  nationalities  of  the  African  diaspora  is  that  they  have  Spanish  surnames,  speak  Spanish,  and  mostly  likely  practice   Catholicism  or  some  form  of  it.    Other  than  that  you  ususally  cannot  tell  that  they're  of  Latin  American  origin;   unless  you  hear  them  speak  Spanish,  they  have  names  like  Hernandez,  or  that  they  tell  you  themselves.  That  what  peeves  me  about  this.

But is located in Latin America hence why we are called Latinos. I seriously get annoyed because here in the U.S is like people are so used to dividing everyone by color that often they forget that is not like that in all cultures. It is too diverse to just call a group of people who have different races just one of the races...it doesn't work like that at all. There are many differences between the two, is not just because we speak Spanish and have Spanish last names...the cultures are different. And, sometimes people think that all Latinos are all the same...and is not true. Each group of people has their own norms, cultures and values. Different colloquial languages, different music etc.......you can't just say that there is no huge difference because there are. And like I said people tend to forget that just because America has taught you stuff doesn't make it the norm for people outside of the U.S and doesn't make it right either. 

Like in the US, people assume all AA's are southern, that's not true either.
If they don't speak and act South they're being fake, that's weird too.

Originally posted by drjo91 Originally posted by coconutmilk Originally posted by Luvlee06 Did anyone else besides me find "Latino in America" slightly annoying? It was full of stereotypes (everyone Latina was either a pregnant teen, high school drop-out or both) and they kept talking about illegal immigration as if all Latinos are here illegally. I wish they would have shown more families like the Afro-Dominican/Puerto Rican Garcia family in part 1 and they should have also explained the differences between the words "hispanic" and "latino."        I  was  slighty  annoyed  that  they  were  being  depicted  as  "Hispanics"  as  not  as  black  people.   I  understand  that  Latin  Americans  come  in  different  races   or  that   the  term  "Latino"  doesn't  designate  a  particular  race;  however  they  should   have   been  depicted  in  the  "Black  in  America"  documentary  instead.   They  are   still   black  people.   I  don't  understand  how  Africans,  Haitians,  Jamaicans,  Bahamians,  black  Americans,  etc.  are  considered  as  "blacks",   whereas  those  from  Latin  countries  or  have  family  roots  from  those  regions  such  as  Cubans,  Puerto  Ricans,  Dominicans,  Colombians,  Panamanians,  Hondurans,  etc.  are  placed  into  a  different  racial  category   as  "Latinos"?   The  only  difference  between  them  and  other  nationalities  of  the  African  diaspora  is  that  they  have  Spanish  surnames,  speak  Spanish,  and  mostly  likely  practice   Catholicism  or  some  form  of  it.    Other  than  that  you  ususally  cannot  tell  that  they're  of  Latin  American  origin;   unless  you  hear  them  speak  Spanish,  they  have  names  like  Hernandez,  or  that  they  tell  you  themselves.  That  what  peeves  me  about  this. But is located in Latin America hence why we are called Latinos. I seriously get annoyed because here in the U.S is like people are so used to dividing everyone by color that often they forget that is not like that in all cultures. It is too diverse to just call a group of people who have different races just one of the races...it doesn't work like that at all. There are many differences between the two, is not just because we speak Spanish and have Spanish last names...the cultures are different. And, sometimes people think that all Latinos are all the same...and is not true. Each group of people has their own norms, cultures and values. Different colloquial languages, different music etc.......you can't just say that there is no huge difference because there are. And like I said people tend to forget that just because America has taught you stuff doesn't make it the norm for people outside of the U.S and doesn't make it right either.

I agree 100%. I remember my family telling me that until the U.S. started handing people census forms in Puerto Rico, everyone just saw themselves as Boricuas. Yes there was racial tension but it never became such a big deal until the U.S. had this form that basically made people choose white or black. And I wish everyone would know LATINO IS AN ETHNICITY, NOT A RACE therefore someone can be considered black and latino, white and latino, etc. It isn't always so simple as just to say you are black...I remember when I moved to Michigan from New York, all the black kids called me a "black Mexican" because of my spanish accent and frowned their faces when I spoke spanish, listened to salsa, and brought a plate of arroz con habichuelas and pastelillos for lunch. I identify with both cultures - not just one

I see what coconut milk is saying.  Afro-Latinos are different culturally from African-Americans, but Africans and West Indians are as well.  So why do we lump the three together (AAs, Africas, WIs), but exclude Afro Latinos from our discussions on being black in america.  I'm not trying to argue a point, but it is an interesting observation.

Originally posted by Lilnicka4u2nv Originally posted by juicygyrl REPPIN FOR PANAMA COLON! My fam is from Colon, and David as well!!

Edited by juicygyrl - 28 Oct 2009 at 4:28pm

Originally posted by drjo91 Originally posted by coconutmilk Originally posted by Luvlee06 Did anyone else besides me find "Latino in America" slightly annoying? It was full of stereotypes (everyone Latina was either a pregnant teen, high school drop-out or both) and they kept talking about illegal immigration as if all Latinos are here illegally. I wish they would have shown more families like the Afro-Dominican/Puerto Rican Garcia family in part 1 and they should have also explained the differences between the words "hispanic" and "latino."        I  was  slighty  annoyed  that  they  were  being  depicted  as  "Hispanics"  as  not  as  black  people.   I  understand  that  Latin  Americans  come  in  different  races   or  that   the  term  "Latino"  doesn't  designate  a  particular  race;  however  they  should   have   been  depicted  in  the  "Black  in  America"  documentary  instead.   They  are   still   black  people.   I  don't  understand  how  Africans,  Haitians,  Jamaicans,  Bahamians,  black  Americans,  etc.  are  considered  as  "blacks",   whereas  those  from  Latin  countries  or  have  family  roots  from  those  regions  such  as  Cubans,  Puerto  Ricans,  Dominicans,  Colombians,  Panamanians,  Hondurans,  etc.  are  placed  into  a  different  racial  category   as  "Latinos"?   The  only  difference  between  them  and  other  nationalities  of  the  African  diaspora  is  that  they  have  Spanish  surnames,  speak  Spanish,  and  mostly  likely  practice   Catholicism  or  some  form  of  it.    Other  than  that  you  ususally  cannot  tell  that  they're  of  Latin  American  origin;   unless  you  hear  them  speak  Spanish,  they  have  names  like  Hernandez,  or  that  they  tell  you  themselves.  That  what  peeves  me  about  this.             But is located in Latin America hence why we are called Latinos. I seriously get annoyed because here in the U.S is like people are so used to dividing everyone by color that often they forget that is not like that in all cultures.     Where  did  you  get  the  impression  that  I  was  dividing  anybody  by  skintone?   It's  common  sense   to  realize   that  it's  inaccurate  to  place  anyone   into  a  particular  racial  category  based  upon   the  skin  tone  alone;  as  there  is  light  skin,  dark  skin,  and  everything  else  in  between  amongst  all  races, ethnicities,etc.   What  I  go  by  is  the  physical  appearances  that  differs  between  each  race.  Anyone  with  two  eyes  can  clearly  see  that  the  PR/DR  Garcia  family  were  clearly  black  people.   If  they  weren't  in  this  documentary  no  one  else  would   haved  guessed   that  they  weren't  of   AA  descent,  could  speak  Spanish,  and  had  a  Spanish  last  name.           Notice  in  my  previous  post  that    I  referred    to  people  born /  or  descended  from  these  particular  regions  as  "Latin  Americans"  as  I  do  know    that  these  countries  are  a  melting  pot  of  different  races;  just  like  we  are  as  Americans.   However  that  doesn't  necessarily  make  them  "Hispanic"  anymore  if  a  Sweddish  person  born  to  immigrant  parents   and   was   born   and  raised   in  Tokyo  is  an  Asian  by  race.   No  matter  how  you  dice  it  that  person  is  still  white;  but  is  Japanese  by  nationality.  Same  as  blacks  born  in  Latin  America,  they're  still  blacks  not  Latinos.   A   Hispanic  is  somebody  of  Spanish  origin  or  mostly  of  it;  basically  a  high  percentage  of  that  particular  European   stock  or  bloodline.   When  you're  talking  about  nationalities  that's  another  thing;  when  you're  talking  about  racial  categories  then  that's  a  different  story.       It is too diverse to just call a group of people who have different races just one of the races...it doesn't work like that at all.     You're  not  telling  me  anything  I  don't  already  know.   It's  common  sense  to  not  call  multi-racial  people  solely  as  one  of  the  races  they're  mixed  with;  especially   if  they're  about  as  equally  mixed  with  one  race  as  another.   I'm  the  first  to  complain  about  the  "one  drop"  rule  which  supports  labeling  a  person  solely  as  black  because  they  have  a  little  African  blood.   I'm  all  about  people  embracing  their  multi- races  that's  in  their  immediate  bloodline;  not  claiming  identities  from   hundreds  of   years  back.        However  this  isn't  the  case  here,   blacks  in  Latin  America  like  blacks  in  America  and  throughout  this  western  hemisphere  are  mixed  to  a  certain  degree  considering  the  history  with  European  colonization  and  domination;  coupled  with  the  indigineous  people  throughout  these  lands.   This  goes  back  into  several  generations  and  not  like  someone  who  has    immediate  family  members  of  different  races.   At  the  end  of  the  day  they're  still  black;   even  though  they  aren't   of  full-blood  African  ancestry  like  many  AAs  aren't  as  well  too.                There are many differences between the two, is not just because we speak Spanish and have Spanish last names...the cultures are different. And, sometimes people think that all Latinos are all the same...and is not true. Each group of people has their own norms, cultures and values. Different colloquial languages, different music etc.......you can't just say that there is no huge difference because there are.     As  with  any  country  of  course  there  is  going  to  be  differences  from  one  to  another;  however  it  still  doesn't  mean  that  people  who  are  culturally  different  cannot  be  placed  in  the  same  racial  category;  if  in  fact  they   are  similar.  For  example,  a  white   person  who  was  born &  raised   in  Germany  is  no  more  or  less  white  than  a  white  person  who  was  born  &  raised   in  France.   Yes  one  nationality  speak  French,  the   other  speak  German;  one  with  a  last  name  of  Pierre,  the  other  surname  is  Schwartz;  each  with  their  own  cultures,  beliefs,  foods,  music,  and  so  forth,  that's  is  well   understood;  however,  at  the  end  of  the  day  both  of   these  people  are  still  white.  They're  culturally  different  but  they   aren't  treated  as  if  their  racial   backgrounds  are  any  different.   Well  it's  the  same  for  the  African  diaspora;  being  of  a  different  culture  doesn't  erase   the  fact  of  being  racially  similar  to  another.   At  the  end  of  the  day  whether  we're  Afro-Caribbean,  African,   black  American,  Afro-British,  or  whatever,  we  all  got  African  features  and  the  skin  color  to  match  them.       And like I said people tend to forget that just because America has taught you stuff doesn't make it the norm for people outside of the U.S and doesn't make it right either.

Originally posted by HalfMoon Originally posted by drjo91 Originally posted by coconutmilk Originally posted by Luvlee06 Did anyone else besides me find "Latino in America" slightly annoying? It was full of stereotypes (everyone Latina was either a pregnant teen, high school drop-out or both) and they kept talking about illegal immigration as if all Latinos are here illegally. I wish they would have shown more families like the Afro-Dominican/Puerto Rican Garcia family in part 1 and they should have also explained the differences between the words "hispanic" and "latino."        I  was  slighty  annoyed  that  they  were  being  depicted  as  "Hispanics"  as  not  as  black  people.   I  understand  that  Latin  Americans  come  in  different  races   or  that   the  term  "Latino"  doesn't  designate  a  particular  race;  however  they  should   have   been  depicted  in  the  "Black  in  America"  documentary  instead.   They  are   still   black  people.   I  don't  understand  how  Africans,  Haitians,  Jamaicans,  Bahamians,  black  Americans,  etc.  are  considered  as  "blacks",   whereas  those  from  Latin  countries  or  have  family  roots  from  those  regions  such  as  Cubans,  Puerto  Ricans,  Dominicans,  Colombians,  Panamanians,  Hondurans,  etc.  are  placed  into  a  different  racial  category   as  "Latinos"?   The  only  difference  between  them  and  other  nationalities  of  the  African  diaspora  is  that  they  have  Spanish  surnames,  speak  Spanish,  and  mostly  likely  practice   Catholicism  or  some  form  of  it.    Other  than  that  you  ususally  cannot  tell  that  they're  of  Latin  American  origin;   unless  you  hear  them  speak  Spanish,  they  have  names  like  Hernandez,  or  that  they  tell  you  themselves.  That  what  peeves  me  about  this. But is located in Latin America hence why we are called Latinos. I seriously get annoyed because here in the U.S is like people are so used to dividing everyone by color that often they forget that is not like that in all cultures. It is too diverse to just call a group of people who have different races just one of the races...it doesn't work like that at all. There are many differences between the two, is not just because we speak Spanish and have Spanish last names...the cultures are different. And, sometimes people think that all Latinos are all the same...and is not true. Each group of people has their own norms, cultures and values. Different colloquial languages, different music etc.......you can't just say that there is no huge difference because there are. And like I said people tend to forget that just because America has taught you stuff doesn't make it the norm for people outside of the U.S and doesn't make it right either.            But I thought "Hispanics" INCLUDED those of African descent....doesn't it? Isn't that like me and my family being called "African-Americans".......? Like, I AM an American of African descent. I consider Afro-Latinos in that context....a Latino (from whatever Latin country) of African descent.   I mean, I use "hispanic" and "latino" interchangeably.....?   And Jamaicans, Bahamians, Haitians......I consider them Afro-Carribean. I mean, I CALL them "Jamaican/Haitian/etc", but I consider them Afro-Carribean.   The "Afro" for any of the above meaning "of African descent" and "Carribean/Latino/American" meaning the specific country, region, or culture. I mean, that's how *I* have always seen it. I'm not Latino, BTW. Am I wrong?   If this is talking about people "claiming", then I don't buy it, at all. Just because they are Afro-Latino doesn't necessarily mean they're trying to be something else than Black. I mean, I don't see it that way. Same goes for people from Africa. I don't understand why many AA's get seemingly so upset when someone visibly of African descent does not label him/herself as such. I mean, IMO one simply cannot look at the world through American glasses.     This  doesn't  have  anything  to  do  with  seeing  things  through  the  "American  glasses".   The  "one  drop"  rule   is  an  American  bred  distorted  view  because  it  forced  people  into  being  black  when  they  clearly  weren't ( white  people)  because  they  had  one  speckle  of  African  blood.   Calling  somebody  who  is  half-black  and  half  of  another  race  as  solely  "black"  is  an  American  bred  distorted  view  because  it  totally  dismisses  the  fact  that  it  took  the  non-black  parent  to  contribute  to  the  offspring's  DNA   and  that  he/she  is  half  as  responsible  as  the  black  parent  in  bringing  that  bi-racial  person  into  this  world.   Both  of  these  views  are  distorted  because  they  deny  the  facts  and  are  often  racial  circumstances  that  do  not  support  the  reality.   They  were  used  to  justify  enslaving  more  people,  in  addition  to  just  blacks.       However,  calling  a  black  Latin  American  as  clearly  black  and  not  Latino  is  not  about  what's  culturally  acceptable  in  one  part  of  the  world  and  not  another,  but  on  calling  a  person  on  how  you  see  them  physically,  what  they're  truly  are,  and  having  the  biological  traits/ DNA  to  back  it  up.   Having  a  Spanish  surname  doesn't  straighten  your  kinky  hair,   speaking  Spanish  doesn't  lighten  your  skin,   being  raised  in  the  Catholic  faith,  listening  to  Spanish  music,  eating  Spanish  foods,   dancing  salsa,  bachata,  merengue,  etc.  doesn't  make  your  nose  any  finer.   Despite  these  cultural  differences  from  other  African  diasporics,  you're  still  black  if  you're  visibly  are  one.   Being  Puerto  Rican,  Honduran,  Colombian,  are  just  nationalities  and  one  can  be  black  as  well;  just  like  being   British,  American,  Jamaican,  Nigerian,  etc.   It  just  common  sense;  nothing  to  do  with  being  American.   It's  called  putting  a  name  on  something  that  is  and  that   one  with  two  functioning  eyes  can  clearly   see   obviously.         I was trying to explain to a PR coworker about how technically, my racial background was the same as hers--Black/White/Native, but that she comes from a Spanish culture and I come from a, well, American one. She was having a real problem figuring out why me and my relatives looked SO much like her family, but were not Latino.    The way I see it, I am AA whether clear folks accept that or not. I know we have not been considered "true" Americans, much less humans, by clear folk in the past, but that doesn't make it true....I'm still African-AMERICAN whether clear folks like it or not. It's the only culture that I know, was born into, and live.   I'm skittering off the topic but I hope I made some sense, I tend to ramble (sorry)   P.S. I'm probably the oddball, but I actually prefer the term "AFRO-American" to "African-American", but again, I'm just musing out loud...