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SimoneC 
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Posted: 20 Jun 2009 at 1:42pm |
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my hair is about 3 inches longer than this picture
1. i have medium-coarse textured hair, what brand of perm should i use?
2. once you have gotten the perm, is it possible to go straight with just a
flat iron?
3. is getting a perm less damaging than getting a relaxer?
4. over time will the curls fall flat, or are they there forever?
5. could i touch my roots up with texturizer, once new growth appears?
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Posted: 20 Jun 2009 at 3:07pm |
Hi Simone 
Answers to your questions below:
Originally posted by SimoneC
my hair is about 3 inches longer than this picture
1. i have medium-coarse textured hair, what brand of perm should i use? I don't think one perm is more suited to a particular type texture of hair than another. I've never heard this from the companies themselves or any curly perm wearer.
2. once you have gotten the perm, is it possible to go straight with just a
flat iron? You can go straight but personally I wouldn't currently advise using an iron as I've heard cp'd hair is too fragile for that.
Some have said they go straight by doing all the steps in the retouch except using the rods, but I'm not sure about that. I'm v wary so I'd need to look into that much more before I'd consider it for myself
However, some people have gone straight by using really large rods/rollers at their retouch... When my hair is longer, I'll probably try that.
3. is getting a perm less damaging than getting a relaxer? I've asked this before but this imo this is the best reply I recieved (from Avlon). My brain is a bit frazzled at the moment so I just copied the info:
My Question: In your opinion which process is the most damaging to the hair: relaxers or curly perms?
I ask this as in the relaxing process the hair's pH level is
elevated to around 13, whilst in the permanent waving process it's
elevated to about 9.5. However, it's a common belief over here (at
least in England) that curly perms are more damaging because they are a
'double-process'. The Answer: Normally the permanent wave process for Caucasians is less damaging
than the hair relaxing process. However, permanent waves or "Curly
Perms" for African descent hair is a three step chemical process. The
hair is treated twice with an ammonium thioglycolate cream or lotion -
that is - once for straightening the kinky curly hair, and the second
time for wrapping the straightened hair on the desired size rods with
ammonium thioglycolate lotion or solution.
The Straightening Cream or Rearranging Cream contains ammonium
thioglycolate at 7 - 8 (active basis) and a pH of around 9.0 to 9.5
with ammonia. The Wrapping Lotion, also known as Curl Booster, contains
4 - 5 ammonium thioglycolate at a pH of around 9.0 - 9.2. This double
treatment of hair with ammonium thioglycolate does significant damage
to the hair.
Conversely, the relaxers based upon sodium hydroxide or guanidine
hydroxide are left on the hair for 18 to 20 minutes and cause less
damage to hair and do not require the daily applications of glycerin
based curl activators. The Avlon Ferm Permanent Wave process does less
damage than conventional permanent waves, as it is based upon
Strengthening Lotion which is applied after the permanent wave lotion
and before neutralization in order to siphon off chemicals from the
inside or cortex of the hair.
I hope I have answered your question.
4. over time will the curls fall flat, or are they there forever? If your hair is in good condition, you have a good maintenance regime and the perm was done well you should have curls from retouch to retouch. However, as time goes by they loosen up slightly, and washing can make them looser or tighter - I've experienced both!
5. could i touch my roots up with texturizer, once new growth appears? I doubt this very much. I think it will be too
easy to overlap the texturiser on to the cp'd hair. Although, I've heard
of one person who cp'd her relaxed hair imo opinion it would severely
damage the hair.
ETA: looking at your avi, I can't tell if your hair is relaxed or texturised or not, but again I'd strongly advise curly perming your hair if it is.
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 12:59pm |
Very Good Information Loves2Laugh!! I totaly concur!!! 
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Posted: 23 Jul 2009 at 10:04am |
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yea i wudnt flat iron a curly perm cos the hair is already at its weakest
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Posted: 24 Jul 2009 at 11:18am |
whats a good curly perm for 3c/4a hair?
-la
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 7:37am |
Hi guys 
There seems to be a lot of questions re the basic process of curly perms recently (yay - I'm so glad so many of you are interested!)
The founder of Avlon, Dr Syed Ali, who does the Ferm Perm has created a series on the steps of the curly perm. It's interesting & not too long, plus you can also ask him questions re curly perms in general. He might take a while but im my experience he always responds.
There are currently four posts (I hope there will be more):
BTW, he also has info re KeraCare products, Affirm Relaxers & Syntonics
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 7:46am |
Miss Loli: As I've said before, I don't think one type of perm is suited a particular type of hair. However, I think the less coarse you hair is the easier it will be to straighten & get a silkier texture.
Also there may be different strengths of perm, like the CFC that has 3 different strengths.
Having said that IMO some perms are stronger than others. My current perm gives me more 'afroey' curls. My previous perm CFC gave me a straighter texture which was v hard to deal with when the regrowth came through as I have very coarse hair.
I will come back & add some more info - my lunch break is over!
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 10:11am |
I need a perm that will give curl definition... I love the "afroey" look but my sister wats it like super curly.. is SCurl good for that???
-la
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 1:40pm |
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First things first - unless you already know how to a curly perm I wouldn't suggest you do this for your sister at all! It would be too easy to underprocess/overprocess her hair & have her disappointed with the result...or worse still damage it & have her hair break off. It's worth paying someone who has a lot of experience & is qualified to do hair.
Anyway, in answer to your question, I'm not sure about S Curl, I may have had when I was younger but I don't remember!
I think CFC may give your sister the curls she's after. From what I've seen most people achieve good curl definition with this. Just make sure they don't use a strength that's too strong for her hair. My ex-hairdresser used the strong one so that it would take faster as I have a sensitive scalp. Now I have over processed hair needs to be cut off.
Some people say Wave Nouveau doesn't give good curl definition but others say it does. In my experience when I had it (& I'm going by memory coz it was waaay back) it had good curl definition when it was short, but as it got longer it became waves.
Ferm & Global Choice give good curl definition but are quite afroey. Design Essentials seems to be quite afroey also.
Other perms I'm not sure about - I've seen waves, tiny curls, straight hair hair that looks texturised achieved with curly perms.
Lastly the rod size will have a lot to do with it. If they are too big for the length of hair she will get waves. It they are too small she'll get tiny curls - I think boys used to do this back in the day!
Anyway good luck!
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Posted: 18 Sep 2009 at 8:39pm |
Well allot has been answered in this thread, so I've only answered where I felt I wasn't being a parrot, since I happen to agree with what's been said. 
2. once you have gotten the perm, is it possible to go straight with just a
flat iron?
Yes, just make sure to use a heat protectant for your hair to prevent heat damage.
3. is getting a perm less damaging than getting a relaxer?
Really depends on the strength of your hair and sensitivity of your scalp, but I do know that the cream (in my case it happened to be Wave Nouveau) is not as strong as the cream used for relaxers.
But I've seen more damage done by relaxers than by curlyperms, but that's my personal experience.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 at 11:18am |
Hi, does anyone know if it is possible to get a texturiser on top of a curly perm?
Thanks!
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 at 10:18am |
Tueschica- Are you trying to grow out your curly perm? If you currently have a curly perm and don't want to do all the steps you can have your stylist just use the cream straightening part of the process to retouch your new growth and just leave it on for a few minutes and that should loosen up your natural curl pattern like a texturizer does. I don't know how well it will blend though, it just depends on your hairs natural curl pattern. You should only use the cream on the new growth area and not on previously processed hair.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 12:48pm |
Hi, I think I need to grow out my hair and try something else because I´ve had a curly perm for 2 years and my hair just keeps breaking. My hair is super curly (I thnk the term is 4b) How long should I keep the cream straightening part on for?
thansk!
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