Do you believe some people are beyond help and

nekamarie83 wrote: People ackin up where you were chillin =\= beyond help or not being productive members of society. How do you know that they are very well behaved by day and decided to cut up to blow off steam by night? So in your kinda superficial incident, no I don't think people are beyond help. However, when it comes to some serious problems, addiction, pedophilia, sociopathy, etc-- I do believe that they are beyond help. Death or jail or one then the other are the only options they have.   eta: Sometimes people just don't have the desire or the capability to change. Society would do well to accept that. However, jails, internment, sequestering isn't an answer-- not a viable one anyway.

thanks Middy

Edited by iGotSunshine - Mar 22 2013 at 11:02am

nekamarie83 wrote: People ackin up where you were chillin =\= beyond help or not being productive members of society. How do you know that they are very well behaved by day and decided to cut up to blow off steam by night? So in your kinda superficial incident, no I don't think people are beyond help. However, when it comes to some serious problems, addiction, pedophilia, sociopathy, etc-- I do believe that they are beyond help. Death or jail or one then the other are the only options they have.   eta: Sometimes people just don't have the desire or the capability to change. Society would do well to accept that. However, jails, internment, sequestering isn't an answer-- not a viable one anyway.

Did you not read the story hun? I went to high school with this guy. I've seen him act the fool more than once boo.

iGotSunshine wrote: I honestly do. smh   One of my best friends was killed in NO on Mardi Gras day. we had grown apart because he became a part of a gang (and eventually their leader)   he was in and out of jail.. when he would call i would try to help him come up with goals to set to get out of that lifestyle   and the first time he got out (after doing a year) it seemed like he was doing better he had gotten his ged, was working at a warehouse, spending time with his son etc   and it was like that lifestyle gradually began to pull him back in.  it was baffling to me because he was gangbanging but he wasnt making any cash   i mean he would hit a lick every now and then but no real money   it hurts because i knew he wasnt a cold blooded killer but i think he just got too deep into the lifestyle   anywhoo about 5 months before he got killed we fell out because i spazzed on him and told him he needed to get his sh*t together   he told me i didnt understand and that i was stuck up   he went to jail again. he called me when he was in jail and said he was going to change because he was just tired of the lifestyle but he didnt want his clique to feel like he abandoned them.   gradually he started calming down, got a steady girlfriend, a job and they were planning on moving out of NO.   his death hurts to the core because I prayed for him about a week before it happened and he still got killed.   the sh*t is crazy to me. i feel guilty for grieving over a murderer but i knew him before that and i knew what drew him to that but i just believe he was in too deep

Yes, this is what I fail to comprehend. I do understand that in many cases people join gangs or turn to street life because they are searching for love and or a quick fix. However, they know what this behavior leads to and choose it over individuals who go above and beyond to show them love and how to do things in a positive way.
This kid (not sure if he is gang affiliated) had good black male role models that wanted to be in his life and help him, but he always had a very negative view of them.
I know his cousin pretty well, we also went to school together from kindergarten till high school and she's doin alright and I know they were really close. I know that people in his corner have tried helping him but...it just seems to be too deep.
Perhaps it is mental illness, but imho, medication is a form of prison...

nekamarie83 wrote: eanaj5 wrote: Did you not read the story hun? I went to high school with this guy. I've seen him act the fool more than once boo. yes, dear i did. more than once doesn't mean that you're clocking him 24/7 or that there is nothing productive that this person or others are doing in their daily lives.

I understand what you are getting at but believe me when I say there is a difference between someone just getting a little heated and reaching a boiling point and overt aggression. And @Brown, yes he's been locked up before.