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I give the move 6.5 out of 10.  Master piece it is not.
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Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

I don't expect a QT movie to be accurate or authentic.
I don't expect movies in general to be such.
Hell not even novels are.

I understand that some ppl are uncomfortable with the movie and that's fine.


IA RT.
I understood its purpose .

We were these ppls work and plays things they did with us what they wanted.

That was the point of the fighters


Word. Like some people walk out of seeing the movie Titanic with an attitude because the main plot was fiction.
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The thing is the titantic did sink.  There was slavery.  The N word was used back then.
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Henry Louis Gates: It's a fundamental trope of the genre.

Quentin Tarentino: Absolutely. So I'm falling back on that. However, knowing you have the history of cinema where, OK, this is a movie about Stephen Biko, but we're telling it through Kevin Kline's eyes -- that kind of situation -- I actually was hoping to get a little bit of narrative anxiety going on about halfway through the movie: Wait, is this just going to be Schultz doing everything? What's going on here?

Hopefully, if you're unbiased, from where I'm coming from, it makes sense how the whole first part of the story's going. But when is Django going to be the hero? Because truthfully, in the first half of the story, he is Schultz's sidekick. But to me that's OK.

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The part when Gregory talked about a son being forced to have sex with his mother with a rag over his head really disturbed me. I never thought they would do something like that. I always thought they would force people who weren't related to have sex....smh 

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Really I'm from the school of thought that once an author publishes his work authorial intent is dead and the audience will take from it what they will.
So at this point QTs perspective doesn't mean much on how his movie should be interpreted.
I said that same about Kola and her book.

So if g didn't see it that way then that's what she took from it.

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Most people will assume that the story is fictional but most people will also believe that the cushion of the story (how the Titanic sunk and other micro and macro details) are factual

How much you wanna bet that the average person thinks, for instance, that the people on board were aware of the ship hitting an iceberg and panicked getting into the life boats?

Probably many

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Word. Like some people walk out of seeing the movie Titanic with an attitude because the main plot was fiction.
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Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Henry Louis Gates: It's a fundamental trope of the genre.

Quentin Tarentino: Absolutely. So I'm falling back on that. However, knowing you have the history of cinema where, OK, this is a movie about Stephen Biko, but we're telling it through Kevin Kline's eyes -- that kind of situation -- I actually was hoping to get a little bit of narrative anxiety going on about halfway through the movie: Wait, is this just going to be Schultz doing everything? What's going on here?

Hopefully, if you're unbiased, from where I'm coming from, it makes sense how the whole first part of the story's going. But when is Django going to be the hero? Because truthfully, in the first half of the story, he is Schultz's sidekick. But to me that's OK.



Gkisses said "he may have been presented as such," which corroborates what QT is saying about writing a narrative anxiety. By the time Foxx showed up to Candyland as a free man, he was no longer a sidekick. And that wasn't 75% into the movie.
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You can keep posting that but my opinion stands...maybe I have a different view of what a sidekick is..I didnt see Django character being that.

I wouldnt call this movie a masterpiece either but Id say its worth watching. I enjoyed it for what it was....The "anger" surrounding it def helped in the box office.


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Not a literal sidekick Random

Sidekick in the sense he is not the main character, he plays the side charcter to Dr. Schultz
He is not the main character until the death of Calvin Candie
and that doesn't happen until the 3rd quarter of this movie


Btw... what kind of "main character" doesn't kill the main vilian? lmao
He kills the friggen' house slave. How lame (and of course QT relays the message to the black viewer that our biggest enemy during slavery was ourselves. how special)

Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:


Gkisses said "he may have been presented as such," which corroborates what QT is saying about writing a narrative anxiety. By the time Foxx showed up to Candyland as a free man, he was no longer a sidekick. And that wasn't 75% into the movie.


Edited by Alias_Avi - Jan 16 2013 at 12:18am
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