| Printer_Ink wrote:|
| JoliePoufiasse wrote:|
Isn't this pretty much the discourse of white americans towards blacks, though? Whites are the majority so why don't you conform to our way of doing things and push your own cultural references aside? you will legitimately argue that blacks have been there since the beginning and have built America but they don't care. Are you going to ask to ask americans of various ethnic groups to renounce ALL the cultural traits that make them unique and adhere to a white Mayflower protestant type of assimilation without retaining anything of their characteristics? If you don't agree with that within America, than how can you agree with that within Canada, more specifically Quebec? Are you going to ask that black muslims renounce wearing visible signs of their religion and toss their scarves aside? You're reducing a complex situation into something one-dimensional.
| Blac1Chyna wrote:|
If you move to an Arab country you will have to submit to their customs, so vice versa. They knew what it was when they moved to the Western world so don't try to change sh*t now that you here. You aint special. Either abide by our culture, go back to your country, or stay in your own community enclaves and do your own thing.
No, now who’s being ignorant.
Black Americans came to America as slaves. They had no choice. They didn't decide that [fill in African country here] was not to their liking and then just picked themselves up and took a slow boat to America and then once they got here they realized they had to abandon their culture to live here.
Slaves don't have choices. We got stuck in America and after 300 some years of whoever wanted to forced themselves between the legs of our great, great, great, great etc grandmother ... virtually all AAs are mixed with White, Indian ... you name it. (Myself .. I have this rare (non-threatening) blood thing going on and the doctor told me ... this is common with people of Middle Eastern descent. DUH!)
You are exaggerating again though. America is a melting pot just as many other countries are .. and many people hold on to their heritage just fine. People like to wear certain clothes, eat certain foods etc … you just can't hold on to something that comes into CONFLICT with the rest society.
So when I hear about the 'honor killings' or the force child marriages in the Muslim community here in The Netherlands YES those practices come into CONFLICT with Dutch society!!!!!!!!
And yes the America was built on our backs both literally and figuratively ... so now .. we are just much American as the White people that .. stole it from the Indians. So YES AA people conform to the White American standard mainly because .. that's all there is for us ... we are mixed in with the Whites at this point.
Black Muslims? Are you kidding me? When have Black Muslims ever been a part of Black American HISTORY?
Black Muslins just got popular in American in the last 40 or 50 years .. but this has NEVER been a part of the AA history. Noooooo. I have no allegiance or connection to THAT group.
I am afraid you are out of your depth here. You are trying to MORPH the situation with the Blacks in your country or Haiti or wherever you claim allegiance ... to the situation in America for Black folks. My European Black friends do the exact same thing.
Every country - where there is a legacy of slavery ... has a different story to tell.
Besides ... I don't see any difference between the Black or the White muslins because to me all religion is crap - designed for a bunch of weak people that need someone else tell them how to live. DUH! So if the Black Muslims want to walk around America or Britain or The Netherlands ...all wrapped up they will likely experience the same problems all the other Muslims are experiencing.. which 'in this country you have conform to the standards we have here'.
Again if I go to a Muslim country .. and I have .. I don’t argue a bit. I wear the wrapped up clothing, cover my hair, don’t look men the eyes etc just like everyone there tells me I’ve gotta do. But I don’t LIVE there – heck no.
btw - I have absolutely no problems with Muslims of any color wearing a scarf on their head .. it's the whole body wrapped up thing so you can tell if it's a man or a woman or WHO it even is .... that I have a problem with.
I also have a problem with these groups moving to The NL and trying to get all the rest of us to conform that that crap. Why should all of us have to change because they moved to this country. That is a problem.