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From CNN:  Basically they did drop the Charges against Edwards a biker initally charged, and the SUV guy might have been recklessly driving initially.  The brake checking biker Cruz is facing a misdemeanor charges.  Police are still investigating, including review of a past biker mob footage. 

I thing its a combo of biker arrogance combined with driver road rage that exploded into a huge mess.  Charge everyone involved.


New York (CNN) -- The video seems clear: an SUV driver hits a biker on Manhattan's West Side, and sets off a violent chain of events. But now, a debate is raging over who should shoulder the blame for this disturbing attack.

Soon after the helmet cam video of the confrontation went viral, sympathies lay with the driver of the Range Rover.

Online commenters seemed to side with him. He was swarmed by a motorbike gang. He had his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside. He did what he had to do to protect them, they said.

But now supporters of the bikers being vilified for the weekend attack are pleading their case.

Charges dropped against biker
One biker cleared in SUV attack
Possible reckless pattern among bikers
Biker: SUV driver 'was a maniac'

They gathered Wednesday night outside the Manhattan hospital where one of the bikers, Edwin Mieses, lies comatose. He was run over by the SUV as the driver tried to escape.

"It is an unfortunate situation on both sides," said Lexie Filpo, who said she was one of the bikers. "I knew that car seemed reckless from the beginning. From when he first jumped on the highway. When things happened people were telling him to stop, to slow down, and he never did."

"The officers, they want to arrest the bikers; they should arrest the driver as well," Filpo said.

Swarmed by bikers

The incident took place on Manhattan's West Side Highway on Sunday. Police said a man driving a Range Rover struck a motorcyclist who had slowed down.

Previous reporting indicated the impact broke the motorcyclist's leg, but New York police Sgt. Lee Jones said Wednesday that the biker sustained only minor injuries.

The driver, Alexian Lien, pulled over and was surrounded by other bikers, part of a group called Hollywood Stuntz. They hit the vehicle and spiked its tires, police said.

The driver pulled away, plowing three more bikers, including the now-comatose Mieses.

The bikers chased him. Once he was stuck in traffic, they cornered the SUV. The video shows one biker using his helmet to smash the driver's side window.

Police said the bikers dragged Lien out of the SUV and beat him. His wife and daughter were unharmed.

Lien was later treated at a local hospital for slashes to his face, and released.

"I would do the exact same thing he did. I mean they threatened his family and started slashing his tires," one New Yorker, who didn't want to give her name, told CNN.

Jerome Davis said he witnessed a part of the confrontation, and described the SUV driver as a "maniac."

"If something happens, you stop right there. It's an accident. You think and stop. You don't keep reacting on," he told CNN's Erin Burnett on Wednesday.

But on CNN's "New Day" Thursday, Davis said, "Two wrongs don't make a right," and said it was clear the SUV driver was afraid.

"If I was in his shoes, I'd be scared," he said.

No charges against driver

Police have not said that they are seeking any charges against Lien.

But they arrested Christopher Cruz, who is seen slowing down in front of the Range Rover before he was bumped.

Cruz, 28, was in court Wednesday facing misdemeanor charges, including reckless driving. Cruz's attorney told reporters that his client is not guilty.

Cruz was to be released after posting $1,500 cash bail and a $15,000 insurance bond. In addition, his license was suspended and he was ordered to surrender his passport.

"His motorcycle was struck and he stood right there," Cruz's attorney H. Benjamin Perez told reporters. "He never assaulted this man. He never tried to assault him in any way. And he does not know any of the other motorcyclists who were involved in this beating."

A second biker, who police arrested, was released Wednesday when authorities determined that he may have been trying to help.

Allen Edwards, 42, originally faced charges of reckless endangerment, criminal mischief and menacing, police said.

But that didn't mean the prosecutors were done.

"Prematurely charging individuals with low-level crimes does not further the goals of the investigation, and could weaken the cases we expect to bring against the perpetrators of serious crimes," said Karen Friedman-Agnifilo, the prosecutor who is overseeing the case.

"After we investigate the facts and each person's individual actions, we will know what charges can be supported by the evidence. There is still a tremendous amount of investigation to be done."

The New York Police Department released images and asked for the public's help in identifying and locating suspects.

Police are also looking at a 2011 video that shows a separate case of biker violence. In it, riders appear to surround and antagonize a motorist.

Law enforcement officials told CNN they are examining the footage frame by frame, looking for possible patterns.

Standing vigil

Mieses' family says the real victim of the confrontation is the hospitalized biker.

"All of his ribs are fractured. His lungs are so badly bruised that he's still on a ventilator," Yolanda Santiago, his mother, told CNN affiliate WCBS.

His wife, Dayana, told CNN affiliate WBZ that Mieses got off his bike to help the SUV driver.

"And whatever he did, he got scared, he peeled off, and he paralyzed my husband on the way," she said.

Back at the vigil Wednesday night, the attendees raised almost $400. They hope to raise more at another vigil planned Thursday.

"I believe both of them should be charged because both of them were wrong—the biker and the guy in the car," said Victor Rodriguez.


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So what was the reason for accelerating and running people over?  If we're talking simple fear I'm not understanding how this is the fault of the bikers.  

This is why skittles and ice tea are so menacing.  
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At the beginning of the video the driver of the Range gets brake checked then mows ppl over.


Is this what ppl see as ok?
I'm not even talking about the chase and when they catch back up with him
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Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

At the beginning of the video the driver of the Range gets brake checked then mows ppl over.


Is this what ppl see as ok?
I'm not even talking about the chase and when they catch back up with him


i think people are arguing that the driver feared for his life when all the bikers surrounded his vehicle, so running over 5 or 6 people is fine in that instance. i noticed most news stations dont air the part of him mowing over the bikes in the first 40 seconds.
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Police are also looking at a 2011 video that shows a separate case of biker violence. In it, riders appear to surround and antagonize a motorist.

Law enforcement officials told CNN they are examining the footage frame by frame, looking for possible patterns.

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[rhetorical ?] And after they finish examining that video, are they gonna examine some videos of Asians driving crazy to look for possible patterns? [/RQ]

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Originally posted by bunzaveli bunzaveli wrote:

Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

At the beginning of the video the driver of the Range gets brake checked then mows ppl over.


Is this what ppl see as ok?
I'm not even talking about the chase and when they catch back up with him


i think people are arguing that the driver feared for his life when all the bikers surrounded his vehicle, so running over 5 or 6 people is fine in that instance. i noticed most news stations dont air the part of him mowing over the bikes in the first 40 seconds.
IA with everything but the bolded...I'm sure that is just a coincidence.Dead
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this actually pisses me off the more i think about it. 

that mofo could have revved his engine and blew his horn warning the bikers that he was bout to take off. nah, that cowardly asshole had every intention to harm or possibly kill any one who dared stand in his way. everyone knows a bike stands no chance against a suv. they would have moved but he gave no fcks. 

pisses me off.


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Originally posted by Jewelsnyc Jewelsnyc wrote:

Originally posted by Wildfire Wildfire wrote:



and if there were 3 people in front of him,after he hit the first one, i can see how easy it is for fright to have made him continue and roll over the others in the way

If fright can make you run over people, then you don't need to have the privilege to drive.


that's BS. It happens...fright, adrenaline, etc can cause people to react in a myriad of ways that they wouldn't under non-stressful/normal situations, and you know it.

Its all good and well to act prim and proper when youre not in the situation. Ive seen plenty of situations in which people reacted in the most bizarre way, because of the stress of the event.

I can see how the man would have continued driving, just to get away from them. I dont believe anyone who says they dont understand.

Was he wrong? I dont know. Did he break the law. Yes.

They were wrong. He reacted. Both parties have to be penalized, but i say dont start shiit if you dont want shiit to happen.


Im half with James on this.

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Why couldn't driver be clever like the person in the white van? and just slowly go through them? Or is the video not showing everything. First? driver almost hits a guy, then he couldn't get through, panic or whatever then ran over someone else that I see. Then chase began.
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I wish a muh fukka would try to "break check" me...they gon have a real bad day...Stern Smile


thats what im saying. what the hell you break checkin' people for? what the hell you expect to happen? break check 10 people on a given day and rest assured the 11th one may very well *&%^$#@Ek you and your little bike crew up.

Mess.



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