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Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

@JP - University admission recently instituted? Oh no, that exists for over 10 years, it translates to quotes, lol, but it is called Cotas, and blacks have somewhat a priority, and so do Native Brazilians and disabled people.

Basically when they take the college test (kinda of SAT), there is some space reserved for them, and when it first came out, many people were furious because they said that if their kid got an 8 and a black kid got a 7 and got in, it was wrong and blablabla.

It is still around, and I bet a lot of whites who don't look black at all but their grandmother was black do use the cotas in order to have higher chance to get in universities.


10 years is recent in my book. But the point I'm making is that affirmative action of this nature would not have been instituted if afro brazilians hadn't pushed for it. That's what I mean by increased black consciousness. Prior to that, it was unthinkable. That's progress.  They had ZERO options before. Is there anything of the kind in any other latin american country? Could be but none that I'm aware of. I do know that there are people who  misuse the quota system for their own gain though but the concept of affirmative action has never been perfect anyway. It's a start, don't you think? To me, it looks like the beginnings of some type of black social consciousness amongst afro-brazilians


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Even culturally, there seems to be some type of black renaissance amongst afro-brazilians. They'll have organizations that include the word Afro. It's not a dirty word to them anynore like it is in a place like the DR (from the documentaries I've seen, lol). I don't have a thorough understanding of Brazil but it seems to me like they have become more conscious. Doesn't mean they're still not at the bottom of society because at the end of the day, it's white supremacy at work. But they're starting to challenge it and that's a good sign.

Just the other day, there was a piece on French tv about black associations in the favelas. It was very interesting.



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Yes @black consciousness; that's probably one of the reasons why the youngsters are fighting back about this prohibition of circulating at the malls, because they wants to make a point - but sadly a lot of people with no good intentions infiltrates in the group and starts sh!t or the police harasses them.
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Brazil most definitely has a growing population of Black conscious sistahs (and brothas)

Funny how one of my fav Brazilian blogs to visit wrote an article about what I just noticed today

Originally posted by <a href=http://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2014/06/15/world-cup-although-brazils-team-has-many-black-stars-the-fans-in-the-stands-are-whiter-than-norway/ target=_blank rel=nofollow>Black Women of Brazil</a> Black Women of Brazil wrote:

World Cup: Although Brazil’s team has many black stars, the fans in the stands are whiter than Norway


Brazilian fans at opening match of 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil Group A game

Note from BW of Brazil: So by now everyone knows that the long anticipated 2014 World Cup in Brazil has begun with the host team opening with a convincing 3-1 victory over Croatia in the Itaquerão stadium in São Paulo. As was also anticipated, superstar Neymar’s star shined even brighter as he marked two of the home team’s goals and entered the top ten list of all-time Brazilian scorers for the seleção, Brazil’s National Team. Also in typical fashion, Brazilians presented another example of the racism that everyone wants to deny but that remains part of the national character. Although the score may have been 3-1 in favor of the home team, in reality, the Brazilians scored all four goals in the game if one counts the own goal accidentally scored by Marcelo. Consistent with beliefs that only blacks make mistakes because of their race, Brazilians took to Twitter and blasted the preto (black) Marcelo for his error

An image that was even more evident of how race works in Brazil were the various shots of the crowd in Itaquerão. Sure, over the past decade or so, policies have attempted to diversify more areas of a Brazilian society dominated by the presence of persons who look as if their racial origins are purely European. As the excitement for the game reached a peak, the overwhelming whiteness of the crowd was hard to miss. As André Barcinski put it:

“If racial and cultural integration of Brazil was the main theme of the opening party, this was not reflected in the stands. The stadium was whiter than Norway. Finding a black person among the spectators was a difficult task.”

Children release doves into the air

Minutes before the game started, three children, one black, one white, one Indian, representing the origins of the Brazilian people, entered the field to release doves into the air, but one was hard pressed to find such diversity in the stands. In reality, this shouldn’t come as a surprise as in July of 2013 we covered the same issue at the Confederations Cup, also held in Brazil as well as in the official World Cup commercial and the controversy behind the selection of the World Cup Final Draw couple. In the end, one could argue that the camera did show the pride of the Brazilian people,well,  at least the European part. 

Black players, white spectators

The relationship between racial tensions (or strains) and futebol in Brazil is extensive

by Antonio Jiménez Barca with Leonardo Sakamoto

In 1914, a mulatto player of the elitist futebol club Fluminense, from Rio de Janeiro, to mask the color of his skin, smeared his face with pó de arroz meaning rice powder. In the beginning it was okay. But when he began to sweat, his trick was discovered. The player was forever marked as Pó de Arroz, as well as the club itself. The relationship between racial tensions (or strains) and futebol in Brazil is extensive.

Indeed, many historians and experts who argue that football served precisely to unite the different races that inhabit this country-continent, which is one of the few things we all do together, rich and poor, white and black, or that everyone watches together. And the seleção (meaning selection or National Team) would be the high point of this feeling of brotherhood over colors. Yes, but there are also those who say that in 1950, the goalie Barbosa, being black, was unfairly blamed for taking the definitive Ghiggia goal in the unfortunate Maracanazo. If he were white, he would have been forgiven. In the video on YouTube, we can prove that the action of Barbosa was neither a huge mistake, nor can even be categorized as an error. But tell that to the poor goalie who carried throughout life, until his death in 2000, the immense guilt of having served as an instrumental of disgrace. Even in the supermarkets he was pointed out with the finger: “Look, daughter, the man who made Brazil cry,” once said the mother to her daughter in the presence of the afflicted Barbosa.

Pelé, Garrincha and other redeemed their race and turned the Brazilian team in a mestiço (mixed race) and perfect machine capable of fabricating the best futebol in history. Since then, the seleção of Brazil was a faithful radiography of the society where over half the population is negro or mulatto.

And so it was more or less the team that entered Thursday in the Itaquerão stadium and defeated Croatia thanks to Neymar and a referee armed with the spray of a graffiti artist.

Fans at opening of World Cup

However, the stands were filled with thousands and thousands of white Brazilians, almost all white, the ones who, in their majority, have money in this country to pay admission, the ones that in general in this country, go to the movies, theater, exhibitions or to the best restaurants, those that dominate the best opportunities…

Six players on the Brazilian seleção: Dani Alves, Hulk, Thiago Silva, Luiz Gustavo Dias, Ramires and Marcelo

On the field it was easy: Marcelo, Daniel Alves, Thiago Silva, Hulk, Ramires….But look at the photos of the match and try to find a black person among the public of the stadium, dressed in yellow, cheering with elation for their seleção. Try to find some black who was not watching everyone’s seleção on television, from the outside.

The large television known as the telão in São Paulo attracts a much more diverse crowd

Note from BW of Brazil: Along these lines, the same sentiments were expressed by blogger Leonardo Sakamoto who notes that the images of the audiences in these games that are being transmitted around the world are not the face of the fans of the regular season games seen throughout the year. Those fans, most of whom simply couldn’t afford tickets, were be found in bars or in front of movie theater-sized public televisions around the country. 

Those accustomed to going to series A and B Brazilian championship games…with squadrons of Brazilians and Bolivians may find it strange when viewing the almost monochrome bleachers in the World Cup.

Please do not get me wrong. Everyone is entitled to have fun.

But as we have more rich whites than rich blacks here (a totally random fact since they “are not racist”) one might expect that this happen. Moreover, considering the stabbing that buying a ticket directly with FIFA or via the sacred institution of the peddler could be.

Listening to the radio, the announcer stated: “Look how wonderful! It’s the Brazilian family returning to the stadiums.” In fact, a specific type of family: that of a margarine commercial. For the World Cup games are a time in which the space-time fabric is torn and everything attains faces of a parallel universe – irrigated to a lot of public money and heavy actions to keep the “dangerous classes”’ away. When in doubt, bomb them.

Fans watching World Cup match on large television

Particularly I think the most nefarious immediate consequence of the presence of spectators who don’t regularly frequent the stadiums is that it doesn’t push the team as needed.

Just affirming that, in the stadium, was not the “Brazilian fans.” Not by far! The fans that come rain or shine, win or lose, is there supporting his team, live, however mediocre it is. These people, which helps our futebol to be what it is, deserve to be better represented in the Itaquerão stands.

Source: El País Brasil, R7, Blog do Sakamoto


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Originally posted by Ds2nice Ds2nice wrote:

I got into a huge debate with a Haitian friend that refuses to acknowledge that he's black/African decent because he has a brown paper bag complexion.  To add more insult to injury, he actually says he's fair skin.  However when a "black" opportunity pops up, he wants to jump on the black bandwagon.  SMH.
 
You have to realize that you can't teach or save everyone.  Some people are just too deep in their own stupidity or ignorance to know any better. 
 
 



what does he say when u say "i thought u weren't black?"?
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Lol @ brown paper bag complexion. Yea even in our country, there are people that believe if Yuh hair don't look like type 4 or whatever....Yuh ain't black. But my grandfather is light brown east Indian and he says that HE is black, n that's how I always saw it growing up. If you're not white, and u r "light brown, brown or dark skinned whatever" u are coloured/black. U may not necessarily be AA. But mixed/Afro Latinas....and even east Indians I view as people of colour. Black is beautiful and we have such variations to us. Ppl believe that u have to only have certain features or only have very kinky hair to be black. I think it's just misguided.

Also....I could slightly understand y some ppl are so "afraid" of the black word....on our ID cards..it doesn't have whether u r causcasian or African or whatever..for example our ID cards would have eye color: brown or whatever and then they have your complexion, and they put whether it is light brown or brown or dark brown lmao. There is no white or black. So some ppl might migrate or vacation to america and b like 'black??? No I'm brown. my ID card says so' lmaoooooo. this is so funny. The world is really brainwashed by alot of things, and it's passed on from generation to generation.
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Man,I love me some Dani Alves.... goes to read article.
 
During the opening ceremonies, I was looking for the black folks.
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Neymar's sister


she black or nah? i do know she bad but probably on that same ish Neymar is


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She ain't black in Brazil. Her skin is "too light", her hair is straightened, and she got light colored eyes... she can claim that she is descendant of Brazilian indians.

btw, the first pic on the article posted by Alias shows Australians wearing the Brazilian jersey... I know because one of them got the flag and the guy has a pic of them with "kangaroos" written above it.

I am disgusted that people made fun of Marcelo for making the wrong goal by calling on his skin color and "bad hair" but no one thought that a black person did something right when Neymar made 2 goals because Neymar has light colored eyes, straightened hair, and I guess looks "less black".
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