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There is some evidence that support a young earth, 'the winding-up dilemma' for example.

But as long as we try to disprove or prove the intelligent creator of this existence with our minds, we will always end up right where we started.

Consciousness is not meant to be understood with the mind. It is an awareness of Self.

God exists on the very brink of what is and what is not.



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Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

There is some evidence that support a young earth, 'the winding-up dilemma' for example.

But as long as we try to disprove or prove the intelligent creator of this existence with our minds, we will always end up right where we started.

Consciousness is not meant to be understood with the mind. It is an awareness of Self.

God exists on the very brink of what is and what is not.



Where is the evidence?  And most importantly, can it be found in a peer-reviewed scientific journal?


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I gave 1 example. Go research it if you're interested.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Derri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 7:57pm
But i'm not too concerned how old the earth is.
We spend a lot of time in the past, and a lot of time wondering about a future that never comes, while there is so much to experience right now.

A belief is comforting, but only through experience does the truth reveal itself. You have to know the truth is the truth in order to say it is, and you have to have been a part of the experience of the truth. The truth is not an emotion, it is a state of being...it's not comprehensible with the mind of polarity.

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Yes, I have researched it, and again, there is no support for a young Earth.  We do not know exactly when the universe was created, but we can make a pretty good guess.  The Christian timeline for the creation of Earth and the universe simply does not match up with the physical evidence already here.  Ancient Egypt alone proves the Earth is far older than the 4,000-6,000 year time frame young Earth proponents talk about.  We can talk about individual perception all we'd like, but at the end of the day, our perception (opinion) wouldn't measure up to the physical evidence that young earth theory is even remotely possible. 

And once again, we are butting heads here because one side is coming into the discussion with no presumptions toward an ultimate answer.  They are taking pieces of a puzzle and putting it together.  The other side thinks it already has the answer and THEN puts the puzzle together.  The problem with believing you know what the picture is before you put the puzzle together is that you may be proven wrong.  And if that happens, you may very well insist on making those pieces fit or insist your interpretation was the correct one.  That's why the only people who take young earth theories seriously are the ones who have an agenda to preserve outdated answers.
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Didn't watch the debate but I would not agree with teaching creationism as a science, but i am very interested in the study of this as a philosophical question and I would take it as a class had it been offered to me. i am a space, physics, metaphysics and astronomy nerd, the type that reads articles on black holes and string theory and then read peoples off the wall extrapolation of what could be not just what facts exist today. those things stimulate me more than anything because of the endless possibilities for the nature of our being. 
i will always encourage my children to pursue creative pursuits, or even put confidence before evidence if that is where they are led to from time to time. I plan to raise rationalists, pragmatics, dreamers, and believers all at the same time just like me. 


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We are all finding out about life. There is no absolute that we know of, and we have to approach the universe less arrogantly.
Currently there are 20 stars roughly the size of our sun that have been ejected out of our galaxy.
Scientist have no idea what caused this, as they did not come from the black hole at the centre of the galaxy and yet they are moving at a speed fast enough to leave it.
No one knows what could have worked these stars up to such velocities because before this discovery, only a star kicked out of a black hole could have such energy to even dream about leaving the galaxy.

In the book of Job, God poke with Job about arrogance and presumption of claiming to know in absolutes all that God is.
The point is to find out and come to awareness by experiencing---by being.


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Real science is not concerned with absolutes.  Religion is.
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I didn't see all but Nye did him a favor by even agreeing to "debate" him.  Nye seems like he'd be willing to re-think his position if presented with proof.  Ham said flat out he don't give a fucc what kind of evidence nobody got.   Why even have the debate then...if you're not interested in what nobody got to say?   Folks want solid evidence when it comes to science but religion...
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im not in this, i just wanted to drop this off. LOL because its PRLOL

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