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Hey Girly, yes the saw palmetto did seems to make my thighs get a lil thicker but didn't seem to do much for my flat backside LOL, but I think if I woulda stuck with it longer, combined with the Vitex and Fenugreek, it would have seen a change in my backside. I didn't give the herbs time to balance out my hormones. This time I'm gonna take them 4 at least 7 months!
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Originally posted by hick4616 hick4616 wrote:

Hey Girly, yes the saw palmetto did seems to make my thighs get a lil thicker but didn't seem to do much for my flat backside LOL, but I think if I woulda stuck with it longer, combined with the Vitex and Fenugreek, it would have seen a change in my backside. I didn't give the herbs time to balance out my hormones. This time I'm gonna take them 4 at least 7 months!

You aren't taking any phytoestrogenz.  There are two wayz to grow your butt, through fat or through muscle.  The only hormone you need for gaining fat in your butt is estrogen.  There is only fat and muscle on your butt.  Prolacin herbz are used for breast growth because they expand breast tissue.  Progesterone balances estrogen, it makez estrogen weaker if U have excess estrogen and progesterone growz your boobz as well.  Taking progesterone weakenz da strong phytoestrogenz you need to gain fat on your butt so progesterone is not needed during butt fat storage.  Prolactin is not needed because it does not effect da fat on your butt at all.  So dat leavez estrogen only.  DHEA and testosterone help build muscle on your butt.  You need a healthy amount of testosterone and balanced hormonez to get good butt muscle growth but you need higher than normal estrogen to store fat on your butt so they are counter-productive.

Phytoestrogens
Plant estrogens. They bind to estrogen receptorz in da body to activate them

Phytoprogestins
Plant progesterone. In breast enhancement they grow da milk glandz and alveolas.  They are used to balance estrogen and progesterone

Aromatase
Aromatase is a plant enzyme dat digestz and transforms testosterone into estrogen

Androgens
These are testosteronez

DHEA
Da body makez estrogen or testosterone out of DHEA

Prolactin
A hormone dat causez milk production and swellin in da breastz.  Constant swelling causes growth due to tissuez bein stretched.

Adaptogen
An herb dat producez DHEA in da adrenal glandz

Dis is what U are takin

Saw Palmetto - anti-androgen and possibly anti-estrogen
Vitex - phytoprogestin (progesterone)
Fenugreek - Very weak phytoestrogen (it'z not usually used as da main source of phytoestrogenz) a phytoprogestin and prolactin

So U are takin stuff dat does not have estrogen in it or DHEA.  Da herbz U are takin are for balancin before U start body typez goalz or stuff to grow your boobz but not your butt.

What I suggest
You are approachin wit there herbz like U want to grow your breastz.  Saw Palmetto's only side effect is hip/thigh growth but not butt growth.

-1st If you have any weight to lose like from your stomach or armz lose dat first Why: here
-2nd Balance your hormonez if you need to, how/why/info: here
-3rd Take a strong phytoestrogen like pueraria mirifica or agauje and also rub da same herb on your butt to make sure dat da phytoestrogenz go there instead of your boobz.

Saw Palmetto is for thighz/hipz and for blocking testosterone (but if your hormonez are balanced already U won't need it) Fenugreek increasez swelling in da boobz and increasez progesterone in da body (but dat blockz da estrogen U need to store fat in your butt) and vitex is for balancin only

There is an exception to da rule, if U are estrogen dominant or have excess estrogen sometimez progesterone will give U growth because now U have da right amount of both.  Takin an anti-androgen while estrogen dominant or with excess estrogen is dangerous or takin a strong phytoestrogen while estrogen dominant is also dangerous to your health

Hope dat answerz your questionz if not, ask again
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lil_lisa,  you're on point. I have some studying to do later. 
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OMG lil_lisa u r very informative. Well I'm on a diet now to lose 5 or 6 more pounds, I'm 5'3 143 lbs, my measurements are 36C-28-39. I really do wanna lose weight first, then balance my hormones just as u instructed. When I combined the saw palmetto, vitex and fenugreek b4 my breast increased to 38C, so does that mean that my hormones were balancing out even tho I only took them 4 3 months? Do u suggest that I use weights to at least shape my flat butt while I'm balancing my hormones, then add more estrogen after they are balanced to add fat? I develop muscle easy, don't know if that has to do with my high testosterone level, but I was thinking that if I develop the muscle during my hormone transformation while my testosterone is still high, then I can add fat later!
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Originally posted by hick4616 hick4616 wrote:

OMG lil_lisa u r very informative. Well I'm on a diet now to lose 5 or 6 more pounds, I'm 5'3 143 lbs, my measurements are 36C-28-39. I really do wanna lose weight first, then balance my hormones just as u instructed. When I combined the saw palmetto, vitex and fenugreek b4 my breast increased to 38C, so does that mean that my hormones were balancing out even tho I only took them 4 3 months? Do u suggest that I use weights to at least shape my flat butt while I'm balancing my hormones, then add more estrogen after they are balanced to add fat? I develop muscle easy, don't know if that has to do with my high testosterone level, but I was thinking that if I develop the muscle during my hormone transformation while my testosterone is still high, then I can add fat later!

Congratulationz on your breast growth!!

Of course, dat is very possible U probably took da right herbz for balancin your body without knowin it.  Sometimez gurlz get lucky and guess da right supplement without gettin their hormonez checked and balanced first.  I just think it is unhealthy, risky, and it could be a waste of your money if U don't know what is gonna work for U and your hormonez

I think dat losin weight first, then addin fat, then addin muscle has da highest rate of success but dat does not mean U can't switch it around a bit.  I think losin weight before anything else is very important for both success and your health.  I have done dis in da past and it helped keep da size of my butt da way it was but not really make it bigger.  Weight loss and muscle gain at da same time is hard cuz U need less caloriez to burn off fat but U need more caloriez to add muscle.  U might get some growth but workin out your butt while losin weight will maintain size mostly and maybe grow a bit.  Give it a shot, in da least use it to maintain current size U have

Again, try it out and see what happenz I just think it is an easier route to add fat first then muscle.  Though dat is very true, use dat extra testosterone to your advantage.  No method workz for everyone.

I am simply here to provide da real factz and help guide people towardz a good startin point without wastin their time, money, and health guessin where 2 start
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what is a good brand of vitex ?
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Originally posted by lil_lisa lil_lisa wrote:

Originally posted by missbribri missbribri wrote:

when u are estrogen dominate/excess why do u use  un-gelatinized maca? Isnt gelatinized better?
 
What role does vitex play when balancing estrogen dominate/excess hormones? Is vitex key or can u use use the maca? what would be the difference?

Out of all of da hormonal inbalancez estrogen dominance is da most important one to balance before U start anythin.

As of right now, if you use phytoestrogenz dat will make your estrogen dominance really bad.  If U try 2 grow muscle, it won't work because U don't have enough testosterone to support good muscle growth

Vitex is the key herb for excess estrogen.  Vitex contains phyto-progestin (plant progesterone) and is one of the few herbz dat does.  When it comez 2 excess estrogen is it so important dat U balance wit vitex for 6 monthz!  It is also important dat U comfirm dis with a saliva or blood test.  Estrogen stayz in da body for a long time.

Maca is safe 2 use durin balancin because da vitex is keepin da estrogen under control and maca will adapt and read dat u have excess estrogen and will transform into a healthy amount of testosterone dat your body needz.  Maca + vitex = adding progesterone + a little testosterone = what U need.

I am in da same spot as U right now and yes, it suckz but I'm tell U doin anything but balancin will be a waste of time (wit a few exceptionz I'll explain later).  Somethin U can do right now is build a little muscle on your butt and some fat.

how 2 do dis
Use a cream wit volufiline in it or make your own lotion wit Zhi Mu extract.  I suggest Eveline Cosmetics Slim 3-D Total Push-Up Effect.  Dis cream is meant for da boobz but will work on da butt too.  It is completely non-hormonal so it is safe for everyone to use even durin estrogen dominance.  Da herb Zhi Mu (or da extract known as volufiline) when applied topically makez your cellz wanna store more fat there.

I am doin da same thing right now.  If U want U can try an experiment wit me.  Dis gurl used progesterone cream on her boobz and grew a cup size in 2 monthz because she was estrogen-dominant.  When U are estrogen dominant U can't use phytoestrogenz it will make it worse.  But sometimez theoretically / educated guess if you are estrogen dominant and apply progesterone 2 your body it balancez your estrogen to a "fat-storin" level makin U store fat there


I have 2 balance my hormonez until mid March and dat markz my 6 monthz of vitex balancin

in da meantime I have been
-liftin weightz
-Usin da Eveline cream wit emu oil mixed in it (emu oil helpz da fat-storin)
-Soon corsettin (corsetz will help make sure U lose in bad areaz and keep in da good onez)

da Eveline cream will ensure dat U maintain your butt and boob fat.
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when u are estrogen dominate/excess why do u use un-gelatinized maca? Isnt gelatinized better?
 
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Thanks girly, u know what I actually had my hormones tested and was told my testosterone was high, and my progesterone and estrogen were low, but the doctor told me to balance them thru less stress, diet and exercise. I tried that and had them re-tested and even though my testosterone went down a little, it was still high, again my doctor said balance them naturally. That's when I did my research on herbs and decided to take saw palmetto, vitex and fenugreek.

I'm starting my diet today, I only have 5 more pounds I wanna lose, so hopefully starting in 2 weeks after I lose the weight, I'll start adding fat to my butt, and follow with adding muscle down the line. Thanks for the info lil_lisa, u r so informative and bless u for taking out the time to help others
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Originally posted by hick4616 hick4616 wrote:

Thanks girly, u know what I actually had my hormones tested and was told my testosterone was high, and my progesterone and estrogen were low, but the doctor told me to balance them thru less stress, diet and exercise. I tried that and had them re-tested and even though my testosterone went down a little, it was still high, again my doctor said balance them naturally. That's when I did my research on herbs and decided to take saw palmetto, vitex and fenugreek.

I'm starting my diet today, I only have 5 more pounds I wanna lose, so hopefully starting in 2 weeks after I lose the weight, I'll start adding fat to my butt, and follow with adding muscle down the line. Thanks for the info lil_lisa, u r so informative and bless u for taking out the time to help others

Datz awesome gurl and good luck 2 U I know U will do well.  PM me anytime or post somethin here if U have questionz.
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Will do, thanks lil_lisa
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