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Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Yet another study done to make a subset of people feel better about themselves


Did you read the actual studies?  That is not what these studies are saying.  That is what the media is reporting.
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Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:



  So, while one cannot say A is automatically predispositioned to B, you can say that A is a common factor with B or shows up at a higher frequency, therefore making it true to a certain degree. 

And btw, this is soooo false.  A and B can be ice cream eaten and drownings.  Or number of pirates in the world and global temperature. (Both which are true facts if you substitute them out for A and B in your original post)

But the truth is, they have nothing to do with each other.




That's not what I am saying.  What I am saying is that there are common factors between the two and they tend to show up at a higher rate between the two. 
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Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

You're misrepresenting my stance. I don't care HOW many IQ points they're talking about. 

If the study was not carried out correctly and doesn't come to a conclusion based on logic like they want people to believe. 

The assertion that a high IQ causes people to reject the belief a deity is in fact subjective, just like you said. Not at all based in any truth or fact. 




But how would you arrive at "truth" or "fact" if you are asking a number of people what their personal beliefs are?  
I can't get into this without typing a whole lot. But you generally need experimental data, not observational data. 


Well, if someone out there is able to quantify beliefs so that this could be done, please let me know.  LOL
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Look at the examples in the video. There are common factors between many things that are correlated. Doesnt make it fact At All.
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Lol. Anyone could carry this out in a more scientific way.
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Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

IDK maybe it's because Im a stats major, But I refuse to believe any stat that comes from a blog. wasn't this the same site that said all black women were inherently ugly?


That its from a blog and also from a popular magazine that isn't peer reviewed makes it more lacking in any real scientific evidence/credibility. 


Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Yet another study done to make a subset of people feel better about themselves


I think this really is the true objective of this "study".  Atheists go around arrogantly thinking they are "smarter" then Christians anyway, and so this weak study was put together to try to back up such a lame assertion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Sang Froid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 18 2013 at 2:00am
Hmmm.....
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Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

IDK maybe it's because Im a stats major, But I refuse to believe any stat that comes from a blog. wasn't this the same site that said all black women were inherently ugly?


That its from a blog and also from a popular magazine that isn't peer reviewed makes it more lacking in any real scientific evidence/credibility. 


Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Yet another study done to make a subset of people feel better about themselves


I think this really is the true objective of this "study".  Atheists go around arrogantly thinking they are "smarter" then Christians anyway, and so this weak study was put together to try to back up such a lame assertion.


Yes, it is a blog.  It is a STARTING POINT.  There were 63 studies from 1950 (or earlier?)-2012 that were peer reviewed that examined the relationship between religious beliefs and intelligence.  Some of them found a correlation, others were inconclusive, still others found the opposite to be true.  It is a topic that continues to be examined.

Let's be honest.  If there were an article written about the intelligence or even health of religious people being better than those that weren't, a LOT of people would be eating it up.  I remember a thread a while ago about how a "study" claimed that prayer was shown to have an effect on recovery of the ill and not a single religious person stood up to question the validity of the article.  Instead, the article was supported...with anecdotal evidence which was accepted as "fact." 

And to be clear, once again.  Atheists don't go and attack or specifically go after Christians.  I find that a bit self-centered.  Atheists do not believe in ANY deities.  I have said it before, and I will continue to say, that I don't feel it's that large of an issue.  Atheists just believe in one less god than Christians do.
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I will say that the uber Christians I know are a bit.....touched. 
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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:



Yes, it is a blog.  It is a STARTING POINT.  There were 63 studies from 1950 (or earlier?)-2012 that were peer reviewed that examined the relationship between religious beliefs and intelligence.  
  


really? I just did a quick search through my schools research port. I found 4 articles on the topic, none which were peer reviewed. Also none of them said High IQ causes atheism except one (written by the same guy who wrote Black women are ugly).

ETA: Listen, if you want to believe this, then thats fine, and I really don't have a problem with it. But I just feel like it's your right to know there's no scientific proof like they are leading you to believe. 




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