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Originally posted by NadiaPost NadiaPost wrote:

Why is it just atheist have high Iq's? What about people who worship cabbages and oranges. Why weren't they included in the study? Cabbage believers are just as smart as atheists. Cabbages are the same size as the human head..Think about it. Who conducted this study..Elmo?


That would follow under "other religions."
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scientific proof can never be subjective. I know it seems like Im picking on little things, but honestly  it works my nerves when media (especially the daily fail) make conclusions on a 'statistic' that doesn't say anything of the sort and doesn't follow logic. It's just sensationalized and misleading to the public. 
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Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

scientific proof can never be subjective. I know it seems like Im picking on little things, but honestly  it works my nerves when media (especially the daily fail) make conclusions on a 'statistic' that doesn't say anything of the sort and doesn't follow logic. It's just sensationalized and misleading to the public. 

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Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

scientific proof can never be subjective. I know it seems like Im picking on little things, but honestly  it works my nerves when media (especially the daily fail) make conclusions on a 'statistic' that doesn't say anything of the sort and doesn't follow logic. It's just sensationalized and misleading to the public. 


I just had a post and lost it.

Scientific proof actually relies on individuals and groups to be unbiased.  In order to have a scientific process a theory needs to be repeatedly tested, peer reviewed and recreated.  If an individual makes the claim, "god healed me through prayer!" An atheist will most likely 1. ask which god did the healing, 2. ask a person of a different faith how they believed they were healed and 3. ask a person who did not pray how they were healed. 

There seems to be this common misconception that Atheists automatically reject any evidence of a deity, which is not necessarily true.  Atheists ask for the evidence of a deity and of a person's specific deity, and if that proof is given, they are far more likely to change their mind.  If I received either good logical or empirical evidence for any deity, I would be excited.

At the end of the day, we are debating over a 4-6 point difference in IQ between theists and non-theists (that gap gets larger the more fundamentalist the theist is).  Much of it, I think, has to do with the way that theists and non-theists reason.  It doesn't mean that all atheists are geniuses, as that is not what any study I have come across has stated.
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Sounds about right, I know an Atheist who could have a PHD in "Bitc%ing About Everything".
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You're misrepresenting my stance. I don't care HOW many IQ points they're talking about. 

The study was not carried out correctly and doesn't come to a conclusion based on logic like they want people to believe. 

The assertion that a high IQ causes people to reject the belief a deity is in fact subjective, just like you said. Not at all based in any truth or fact. 




Edited by _ConcreteRose_ - Aug 17 2013 at 9:21pm
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Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

You're misrepresenting my stance. I don't care HOW many IQ points they're talking about. 

If the study was not carried out correctly and doesn't come to a conclusion based on logic like they want people to believe. 

The assertion that a high IQ causes people to reject the belief a deity is in fact subjective, just like you said. Not at all based in any truth or fact. 




But how would you arrive at "truth" or "fact" if you are asking a number of people what their personal beliefs are?  The studies say that those with higher IQs have a tendency to be atheist or agnostic.  Based on reading hundreds of individual experiences, without knowing the individual's IQ, the tendency towards rejecting theism had more to do with the tendency to question and apply more reasoning skills.  Questioning and reasoning also, coincidentally, are characteristics of individuals with higher IQs.  So, while one cannot say A is automatically predispositioned to B, you can say that A is a common factor with B or shows up at a higher frequency, therefore making it true to a certain degree. 

And I am not saying that the difference in IQ points is directly related to YOU or anything YOU have said.  I was making the observation in general, whenever the topic of theism and IQ comes up.  People often don't understand that these studies show a minor difference in IQ between theists and non-theists and then automatically assume the researchers are saying theists are stupid and non-theists are geniuses.
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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

You're misrepresenting my stance. I don't care HOW many IQ points they're talking about. 

If the study was not carried out correctly and doesn't come to a conclusion based on logic like they want people to believe. 

The assertion that a high IQ causes people to reject the belief a deity is in fact subjective, just like you said. Not at all based in any truth or fact. 




But how would you arrive at "truth" or "fact" if you are asking a number of people what their personal beliefs are?  
I can't get into this without typing a whole lot. But you generally need experimental data, not observational data. 
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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:



  So, while one cannot say A is automatically predispositioned to B, you can say that A is a common factor with B or shows up at a higher frequency, therefore making it true to a certain degree. 

And btw, this is soooo false.  A and B can be ice cream eaten and drownings.  Or number of pirates in the world and global temperature. (Both which are true facts if you substitute them out for A and B in your original post)

But the truth is, they have nothing to do with each other.




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Yet another study done to make a subset of people feel better about themselves
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