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    Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 12:15pm
Anyone Africans have any experiences with it....? I just want a personal experience on it...my professors is a white South African who lived through it, but I'm kind of shy about asking him his views. Confused
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Def don't ask his ass his views
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I too had a White South African professor who lived through it as a child
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Personally, I'd rather here it from a black south african's perpective. Don't give a fucc what those BOERS felt about it.
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White South Africans will always have different views to apartheid. To them it meant peaceful haven, infrastructure and access to education and health care.

But some will be more than happy to explain them from the point of view of oppressed black South Africans. It was a time where every where was segregated & there were a lot of clashes between the races. There were loads of riots by school children because most black South Africans speak Zulu, Xhosa etc but had to learn in Africaans which is the boers language.

One thing that may also have affected white South Africans are those that had built families with black partners before apartheid. The races where broken into black, white, coloured and Asian. So interracial families where often split up with children being regarded as coloured & parents into black & white race. The children could also be split up if say one of the siblings was very fair they could be regarded as white or if they were dark they could be regarded as black.

I'm sure they'll empathise but all in all apartheid would have been pretty sweet for them lol. Now when it comes to blacks...

ETA: I'm black South African. Well half of it. I did not grow through apartheid but I read around the subject a lot & of course what I have learnt from my family and they what still occurs now

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Originally posted by sistagal sistagal wrote:

White South Africans will always have different views to apartheid. To them it meant peaceful haven, infrastructure and access to education and health care.

But some will be more than happy to explain them from the point of view of oppressed black South Africans. It was a time where every where was segregated & there were a lot of clashes between the races. There were loads of riots by school children because most black South Africans speak Zulu, Xhosa etc but had to learn in Africaans which is the boers language.

One thing that may also have affected white South Africans are those that had built families with black partners before apartheid. The races where broken into black, white, coloured and Asian. So interracial families where often split up with children being regarded as coloured & parents into black & white race. The children could also be split up if say one of the siblings was very fair they could be regarded as white or if they were dark they could be regarded as black.

I'm sure they'll empathise but all in all apartheid would have been pretty sweet for them lol. Now when it comes to blacks...

ETA: I'm black South African. Well half of it. I did not grow through apartheid but I read around the subject a lot & of course what I have learnt from my family and they what still occurs now
 
This is fascinating to me. And I never knew about the bolded! So there were people that "passed" as well? Also, I've always wondered about the mentality of the asians and the jews during that time. Since the races were so clearly stratified, with blacks at the bottom, did they have somewhat of a sense of "superiority" towards the blacks and "inferiority" with regards to the whites? How was all of this process on a psychological level? I know there were plenty of indians in the ANC and fighting against apartheid, but I've always wondered what the attitudes were socially. I visited south africa the year that Mandela was to be elected and I'll never forget the "white only" signs that were still on the beach in Capetown, even though blacks bathed there too. Like they didn't have the time to take them down...
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So there are different types of white people in South Africa.

You have the afrikaaners (the boers) they have a history of over 300 yrs in South Africa. They are descendants of Dutch settlers (Afrikaans is a language that has been formed by their own version of Dutch. That's why the languages are very similar)

Then you have the British. They came and colonised the land & pretty much ran things. They started arriving in South Africa in the late 19th century & replacing the boers in government & leadership. Bare in mind the boers have been around since the 16th century. So of course they don't like this..

As the British fully took over the law of the country they treated black & white equally. So before apartheid most of the boers had it worse than the blacks. The blacks owned businesses, had good jobs & where living pretty sweet lives. The afrikaaners had it pretty bad & had to struggle to make it. They had to work just as hard as everyone basically.

& of course they hated that sh*t.

So that is what led to the boer wars. They wanted this horrible treated of people equally to stop, drive the Brits out & resume their place on the top of the pyramid.

Of course they lost the war. But their resentment rose. Leading to the gradual rise of afrikaaner nationalism. This is them wiggling back into the law and then the creation of the National Party which eventually introduced apartheid.

That's where the party begins!
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^Lots of interesting info. I know a lot less than I thought I did. I'm gonna read up on it some more
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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:


Originally posted by sistagal sistagal wrote:

White South Africans will always have different views to apartheid. To them it meant peaceful haven, infrastructure and access to education and health care.

But some will be more than happy to explain them from the point of view of oppressed black South Africans. It was a time where every where was segregated & there were a lot of clashes between the races. There were loads of riots by school children because most black South Africans speak Zulu, Xhosa etc but had to learn in Africaans which is the boers language.

One thing that may also have affected white South Africans are those that had built families with black partners before apartheid. The races where broken into black, white, coloured and Asian. So interracial families where often split up with children being regarded as coloured & parents into black & white race. The children could also be split up if say one of the siblings was very fair they could be regarded as white or if they were dark they could be regarded as black.

I'm sure they'll empathise but all in all apartheid would have been pretty sweet for them lol. Now when it comes to blacks...

ETA: I'm black South African. Well half of it. I did not grow through apartheid but I read around the subject a lot & of course what I have learnt from my family and they what still occurs now

 
This is fascinating to me. And I never knew about the bolded! So there were people that "passed" as well? Also, I've always wondered about the mentality of the asians and the jews during that time. Since the races were so clearly stratified, with blacks at the bottom, did they have somewhat of a sense of "superiority" towards the blacks and "inferiority" with regards to the whites? How was all of this process on a psychological level? I know there were plenty of indians in the ANC and fighting against apartheid, but I've always wondered what the attitudes were socially. I visited south africa the year that Mandela was to be elected and I'll never forget the "white only" signs that were still on the beach in Capetown, even though blacks bathed there too. Like they didn't have the time to take them down...


Plenty people passed. Coloured where sometimes one step below white so some people if the couldn't be white coloured was good. It meant you were "better". There was (& probably continues to be) tension between blacks & coloureds on who is better than who. When I visited in 2004 I remember there was a lot of this black are better/coloureds are better. & I remember I spoke in Afrikaans to this woman & she said "why are you speaking Afrikaans? Are you coloured?" I was like to my cousin, oh I didn't know I wasn't supposed to.... & he said it was like that especially in that area. You were not only separated by your skin colour but also by your language.

Asians have a tough time. Originally they were not in the race categories at all. They were sort of ignored. Then they finally, after a while included Asian as a race, which was taken to represent Chinese and Indian people. I guess every other Asian person was irrelevant lol. They weren't very respected to start with either. But with lighter skin they were able to get more privileges & therefore move up above the blacks.

Obviously that *&%^$#@Es people up psychologically. & those attitudes still remain.

Some signs are not removed before they're historical.
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