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    Posted: Mar 20 2013 at 8:22am
who do you are agree with in: "all white people are bad" - a street debate

circa: when both were still relevant

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10 star thread, never seen this
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Is that irv gotti in the background? I'll watch now.
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I didn't enjoy the conversation bc lauryn wasnt really given any respect...everytime she attempted to articulate herself she was interrupted by the motormouth or the mediator. It happens to women in situations like this all the time so I'll pass altogether.

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Team Jeru

And why didn't anybody check that dumb ass mediator when he said white people judge us by what 1 black person did?Confused

He lost the whole debate for their side on that point alone. 
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Real talk and almost 20 years later these issues are still very relevant. Like Miss Hill's hair and lip colour lol.

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Speaking of "knowing yourself"...

Originally posted by <a href=http://thepeoplesmic.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-future-of-black-history.html target=_blank rel=nofollow>The Future of Black History </a> The Future of Black History wrote:


                               F@#K a month, How about Black History forever?                                              



With the possible exception of Donald Orangutan Trump, we're all part of the same human family. It doesn't matter if you hail from Nigeria, Mexico, Spain, China, India, Afganistan or West-Bubble-, we are all human beings. This irrefutable fact would and could only be disputed by racist idiot's with a superiority agenda. Since I detest debating established reality, anyone "devolved" enough to argue otherwise, is welcome to do the, due-diligence..sigh*. Sure we all may look different but we know how those physical variations occurred.  Hotter climate = darker skin and bushy hair.  less heat = lighter skin and straighter hair etc. #Easybreezy. Besides geography and the environment shaping our physical characteristics we also have ritualized behaviors, aka culture and it's idiot-cousin religion. Culture is nothing more than the established rules/norms, dress, codes, food, language song and dance of your particular tribe. Religion is simply an exploitative extension of said cultures. A way for the few to control the many... but I digress. I understand why people have cultural/ethnic/national pride in their particular sub-sect of humanity. The need to belong is as germane to the human experience as any of our biological imperatives. We want to belong, we want to identify.

"But the Crayola-Gods said!" 

I identify as African American and black! My base culture is African American but my consciousness is black. The difference between the two is, while African American pertains to my regional, cultural and nationalistic influences, my blackness is the state of mind that evolved from my African American culture. Think of it in the same context as the brain being separate from the mind. The mind is generated by the brain, one is the computer and the other is the software. If you find that confusing, try wrapping your head around the Christian concept of, "The father, the son and the holy spirit!" There was a time during my journey that these labels bothered me. My African American ethnicity was always obvious to me, my blackness had to be earned through self-discovery. FYI did you know that black is not a color? Conversely white is all colors! Google-God it if you must. "Ahem" ...Moving along.

 history correction

The often repeated notion that "Africans sold each other into slavery" is a historical misnomer. Let me issue this quick-fix so as to clear things up. Europeans came to the coast of Africa by the thousands with exotic weapons that Africans had never seen before. For all intents and purposes, they may as well have been aliens with ray guns. ( Scientific truism: Any technology far in advance of your own is basically magic ) Although they had superior firepower, the invaders quickly realized the futility of armed combat against entire African tribes. In order to achieve a proper foot-hold in the Motherland, the European's employed guile and subterfuge to trick waring groups. Africans having initially felt the power of these magic fire-sticks ,were subsequently given the opportunity to obtain a few of their own. All they had to do was go into the bush and use their new "gifts from the gods" to bring back their enemies. Sounds legit if you're fighting anyway, you may as well seize any advantage right. I'm sure Africans had no idea  that eventually they would all be in danger. ( HmmMMMmmM, sounds a lot like all of the guns flooding our streets today, but once again I digress )  Hollywood and the history books don't teach you about the battles in which the so called "white-man" was repelled. They don't teach you that many tribes joined forces and engaged in massive battles do they? Of course not! "History is written by the winners of war" Please check out the video below for more information about this fact!



You're welcome!
                                             

I brought this issue up for a number of reasons. For starters, it is imperative that African American children are  finally told the truth. They won't know what the truth looks like if you yourself don't learn it first. The fact that the entire history of African resistance has been omitted from the "His-story" books is an educational abomination that deserves public attention and correction. It's about time our children heard the tales of  our heroism and bravery. How can we as parents and elders properly prepare the youth for the future, if they have only partial knowledge of their past? Secondly, I wanted to remind black people of the old axiom that "history tends to repeat itself." We were enslaved once and America prospered because of it. Newsflash: It's happening again, most of you just don't know it!  ( back to that later ) There is another historical misnomer which is often repeated as a matter of fact. It is widely accepted that slavery ended with the end of the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation...Also untrue! ( oops, there goes that pristine Lincoln legacy ) You don't have to watch the whole documentary now because it's fairly long but I implore you to watch the first few minutes so that you will understand the context of what I just said. ( In my Warner Wolf voice ) "Let's go to the video tape."





Do not ever let someone else tell you YOUR history again. Did I already mention that "History is written by the winners of war!" Black suffrage didn't end here though. 


The United States Government and it's local municipalities have done everything in their power to systematically oppress black people since the minute the first of us ( The Unknown Warrior ) stepped off of the boat. There are numerous examples of black stratification and systemic racism that stretch from the beginning of reconstruction until today. The most widely documented and well known of these purposeful impediments was the Jim Crow laws. I really don't need to give adults a history lesson in order to further my point. But what I will do here is offer up a few important videos which will add further validity to my words.

Understand the past in order to be better prepared for the future - 

The story of  Black Wall Street part 1.






The Tuskegee Syphilis experiment






The Greensborough 4 -






And Speaking of The Freedom Riders...





Jim Crow





Now that I've got your attention

Call me crazy but I think we should all go out of our way to learn something new about OUR culture during Black History Month. Other cultures make it their business to do so. Other cultures practice their rituals and traditions openly and proudly without fear of ridicule or shame. We are the only ones tricked in mass to hide who we are. Not only do these other cultures know their own culture but they oftentimes learn ours as well. This is  something that we should all proudly copy and practice daily. The problem with this simple idea is that black culture has been subverted, marginalized and corrupted, but I'm getting ahead of myself.The black experience in America is totally unique. Unlike other so called ethnic minorities Africans didn't come here on the Mayflower. We were kidnapped by the 10's of thousands and dragged here in chains. Yes I have said these things before and I will briefly go into them again. Repetition is a necessary component of retention. The so called Negro in America had several unique impediments that no other group that immigrated here experienced.

For starters the vast majority of blacks could not hide their physical features, most notably their skin color. Many of those that were light enough to pass for caucasian did. This assimilation for survival played a very large part in the destruction of the black identity. It also added to the wedge that already existed between dark and light complected African Americans, which originated during slavery. And before you can say it, yes Asians had a similar problem but to a much lesser degree. The difference is no matter how bad it got for Asians and other groups, they always had their shared language and culture. Blacks in America were robbed of a common language and a homeland to go back to. Any 5th grader could tell you that this carefully calculated terrorist tactic is why black folk do not trust each other to this day. Divide and conquer. If they can corrupt someone's ability to effectively communicate, then you can effectively stunt their progress. Changing gears here....

Flash forward to the present


And speaking of Black History month

So did any of you hear about Rapper Lil Wayne's latest idiocy? This wannabe-minstrel thought it would be funny to reference the late Emmett Till in a song with another rapper named Future. According to Dr Boyce Watkins, Wayne mentioned Emmett's name in regard to "Beating up the P***y" like Emmett Till,  or some such tomfoolery. Check out this related video below for further details...I'll wait.




For those that are unfamiliar with the full story of Emmet Till, click the Wiki-link. For those of you that do know, click the link anyway and refresh your memory of the incident. Emmett's mother left his casket open at the funeral for a reason...I'll wait.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till



Sidebar to Dr Boyce Watkins 

I don't want to waste too much time on Lil Wayne, but some things need to be communicated and cleared up here. I respect and support Dr Boyce Watkins on many issues but here I believe he is 100% wrong. Dr Watkins, can you please stop calling this disrespectful fool a genius! I won't insult you by asking you if you understand the definition of the word but brother, you sure do take some extreme liberties with it. Lil Wayne sings songs to our children about drinking cough syrup mixed with alcohol and killing black men. Prince is a musical genius,  Lil Wayne is an overseer for the prison industrial complex.Lil Wayne's so called music is nothing more than a brainwashing infomercial enticing young black men to kill each other. Dr Watkins, for you to link Lil Wayne's name to the late Minister Malcolm X in any way is frighteningly ridiculous and the very definition of apologist speech. Lil Wayne is not a genius, Lil Wayne is more like the Pide Piper leading one black man after another behind bars. The prison system must love Lil Wayne because Wayne does everything he can to help the system keep a fresh supply of young, willing, black, men! Dr Boyce, like I said, I respect a great deal of what you say and commend you for all of the work that you have done and continue to do, but you are wrong. My brother, you may not be as much of a rap apologist as your boy Michael ( I wanna be a rapper ) Eric Dyson, but you sure are coming awfully close. Dr Watkins I'm not looking to pick a fight with you, I'm looking to fight for my people and I know you are as well,  Peace. Which brings me to a point I eluded to earlier.


The continued enslavement of Black folk in America 

Fact: There are over 2 and a half million Americans in Prison. That number is greater than any other nation on earth. African American's comprise approximately 14% of the total U.S population, yet we somehow account for roughly 40% of the total prison population...Huh? This scenario does not exist because blacks are morally deficient or innately incapable of functioning within society. This situation exists because it is by design! Fact: Caucasian America and subsequently cooperate America benefitted tremendously from slavery. America would not be the superpower it is today without the free labor she got on the backs of millions of black folk. Do you believe "they" would surrender that FREE wealth willingly? When in history have you ever seen that happen? The short answer is never! The near infinite, self sustaining revenue stream that existed from slavery has now been transformed and transferred to the Prison Industrial complex. Did you know that many U.S prisons have been purchased by large conglomerate corporations? That's right, prison is now a for profit venture, many of which are run by subsidiaries of  publicly traded companies. How the is this even possible?  Query: What is the goal of any for profit, publicly traded business? Answer: To make money for its' stockholders and investors. Query: If jail is now a for profit business then wouldn't said business need to keep people going to prison in order to turn a profit? I promise you this sh*t is not rocket science. Here's the thing though that people don't seem to understand. Yes, chattel slavery in America "officially"  ended but the new slavery is locking up as many Black and Latino men as possible! Sounds like crazy talk to the uninformed I know. For those of you not in the know,  let me bust your cherry ( metaphorically speaking ) and show you what the U.S. government is really capable of! Watch this video if you want but if you didn't already know this ( in my Morpheus from the Matrix voice ) "Welcome...to the real world!" Check it out below....I'll wait.


How the C.I.A decimated the black community




The Rockefeller drug laws - aka Legal slavery





Todays word of the blog boys and girls is   g-e-n-o-c-i-d-e 


Cocaine and crack...Same drug different form. Caucasians didn't really sell crack like that back in the day...we did! Caucasian drug dealers mainly sold regular powder cocaine. Please tell me why the Government would make a law that severely penalized a particular people more harshly for selling one form of the same drug over the other?  It happened because they knew that the absence of jobs + the infusion of crack + the implementation of the Rockefeller Drug Laws would = SLAVERY!!!  America doesn't give a about African American and Latino men going to prison!  THEY knew that THEY could do this and get away with it. If you don't think that "they" knew what they were doing then YOU are truly lost!


               It's not a conspiracy if it's true! 

If you watched the above videos then you know I'm not exaggerating or lying in the least bit. These are not some silly Alex Jones conspiracy videos. This is not some imaginary illuminati B.S! This here is real and it is right in your face! You don't need to create a phony boogie man organization like the illuminati because the normal system that already exists is scary enough! First the government crafts specific laws that directly target you, then they supply the drugs to ensure that there is a reason for said laws! I just showed you exactly how the U.S Government  via the C.I.A ran a covert drug smuggling ring and flooded the hood with crack in order to fund a private overseas war. If you're a  real politico, then I'm sure you recognized newly appointed Secretary of State John Kerry telling you the exact same thing I just did. I don't want to talk down to my readers because I know that many of you know this stuff but it was absolutely necessary for those that didn't know this information to see it in it's proper context. Which all leads us to this... 

The new Slavery has a friend in Hip Hop

What the early pioneers of Hip Hop planted as an acorn some 35 odd years ago has now grown into a mighty oak. Hip Hop music and it's accompanying culture have arguably become the most dominate form of entertainment on the planet. From the Bronx to Dubai, from the streets to closed door meetings with Presidents and Kings,  Hip Hop has endured. This once written off genre of street expression has become the leading voice and info-tainment for black folk across the globe. How sad it is to see what a slave making sellout this once proud art form has devolved into...You heard me!  While Hip Hop is by no means solely responsible for the negative aspects of the black community, it sure does a great job providing the soundtrack for it. I challenge anyone to deny that Hip Hop music and culture IS responsible at the least for perpetuating and capitalizing off of the negativity in our community.

Remember that mighty oak I spoke of, NEWSFLASH: It's rotting from within.

The N-Word is a Virus 

As I have stated numerous times in the past ad nauseum, the N-word as innocuous as it seems is an incredibly large part of this. Think of the N-word as a virus. A virus infiltrates the host body, takes over healthy cells and then replicates itself until the body or host can produce antibodies to expel it. Although a virus is microscopic and can move about undetected, it's power can surpass that of any man made weapon of war. Think of how many people the plague and HIV AIDS have wiped out. You can't see the N-word virus because it has been rendered seemingly benign and purpously innocuous by way of Hip Hop culture. While it may seem harmless trust and believe me when I tell you that it is rotting not only Hip Hop but subsequently the larger African American culture from within. No the N-word is not a biological virus, it's a social and mental virus, one which is having real world biological, psychological and financial consequences on us all. Query: Why is the N-word pollinated throughout  virtually e-v-e-r-y rap song? The N-word is the single most predominate and important word in Hip Hop and arguably the larger black culture. Movies, books, magazines, videos, T.V, and most importantly to the black community....Music. They took the one thing that is perhaps the most culturally important to black folk and infected it! The virus is perfect really. Black people are now so brainwashed that we have been tricked into not only embracing the N-word but exporting our love for it to the larger culture. In other words we have been hood-winked into self- degradation and ultimately re-enslavement.


As stated earlier, the N-word is clearly not the sole cause of the problems in the black community. To all of my naysayers and detractors, I KNOW THIS! Query: How is it possible for us to deal with larger issues and problems ( Like drugs, gangs and joblessness )  if black people do not have the basic cultural respect and trust for each other? The answer is you can't! The problem is black people have been so deviously subverted by this social virus that it has been embedded in our collective consciousness. How did this happen you ask? How do you get damn near an entire group of people to gleefully and willfully accept their own destruction?....You trick them!!! You can't do it all at once. You make it subtle and palatable. You make people bop their heads and shake their ass to it, you make the people that they respect tell em it's cool. To paraphrase Adolf Hitler, "If you want to control any group or society you must first control the youth." I challenge any person of prominence in academia, ( Michael Eric, cough, cough, Dyson )  or Hip Hop to publicly dispute this....ANYONE!!!  I dare you to come on this blog and make a pro N-word argument! I promise you two things for sure...Defeat and embarrassment!




Why fight entire tribes, when you can trick a few into capturing the many? 

Lil Wayne, Chief Keef, Fake-Rick Ross, Wacka Flocka, Two Chainz, Nicky Minaj and the rest of their ilk have become the new overseers on the jail-plantation. These black youth vampires are doing everything they can to perpetuate violence and the hyper sexualization of our children in the era of HIV AIDS. WTF is wrong with black people that we would so easily lay down and allow this? I thought my generation was smarter and tougher than this. The Jews proudly decry "NEVER FORGET" and have special terms like Anti-Semitic that ensure no public disrespect can come to them without repercussions. The above named rappers have so much power in the black community that they could probably all make a song called f@#$ black people and as long as the beat was hot, many a black person would dance and sing to it. Can anyone deny this? ....Crickets
At one time people ignorantly believed the Earth was the center of the universe and flat! People also once believed slavery was acceptable...All of these beliefs were dead wrong. I beg you my people, look at the facts and judge the validity of my claims accordingly because unfortunately...I am not wrong!


If we allow Hip Hop to continue to be co-opted by fake-rappers that clearly do not have "our" best interest at heart.... we will surely one day lose it! 

Hip Hop is bigger than a few sellout rappers!  Hip Hop is an original art form that started in the streets by young people with nothing but rhymes and beats. As a people that were smart enough to use music to communicate in lieu of a language, how the have we now allowed these few parasites to sell our children and main communication device down the river?  How did we allow our culture to become so estranged from us? Breakdancing, emcee, DJ scratching, and graffiti. In case you didn't know it, these are the 4 elements of Hip Hop - If you ain't about some aspect or positive growth deriving from these 4 elements,  then you ain't about Hip Hop!

The future of Black History begins now. One day years from today people will look back on this era in a historical sense. Those future generations will either call today's generation the smartest for our advancements or the dumbest for being taken advantage of in spite of our advancements. The future of black history is entirely in the hands of those that occupy the present.



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Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Is that irv gotti in the background? I'll watch now.
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This is why I loved the late 80's and 90's in New York! This is why I fell in love with Rap and Rappers. This is why I hate 90% of the artist today. Where are the ciphers? Where are the conversations concerning our community? Where are the Jerus, Black Thoughts, Laurens, KRS-1s,  Afrika Bambaataas, Talib Kwelis, Mos Defs, just to name a VERY few.

Sorry this just brought me back. Yeah Jeru did that thang.
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alias, why didnt you just make another thread?
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