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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:12pm |
but there are chubby cartoon characters everywhere..
are princesses just held to a higher regard?
and i do see where a child might think its okay to look like that.. barbie is supposed to be type, 'perfect'
but.. the same could be said for a lot of kids parents/family members.. they see their parents like that and think its okay.
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:12pm |
do we even all agree on what plus size is though?
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:13pm |
ModelessDiva wrote:
do we even all agree on what plus size is though?
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Don't start this. 
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:16pm |
CherryBlossom wrote:
Disney have always plump characters though...even from their earliest movies
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This is true. But aren't they usually villains or comic relief males? Trying to remember any plump characters that weren't that.
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:16pm |
Mixer wrote:
ModelessDiva wrote:
do we even all agree on what plus size is though?
lol | Don't start this. 
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forreal.
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:18pm |
Googled "fat disney characters" and found this tumblr post. men with status:
 
- all white
- all men with status (kings, lords, michelin star chef, rich men)
- all older
- their fatness is a symbol of their status in society
- their fatness is celebrated on screen, showing them eating: big
daddy is obsessed with tiana’s cooking, king hubert is shown eating from
a banquet table (and having a fight with a fish as a sword), auguste
gusteau is a celebrated chef)
comedic men:

- role is comedic
- marked out by their “weirdness” (black nerd, dirt-obsessed with
strange accent, quirky inventor, calm spiritual, the “otherness” of the
moc)
- racial stereotyping and depiction as humour: the overt racism of the native chief from peter pan, chien po drawn to imitate the buddha, the stereotype of rich arab men who enjoy leisure activities
- many of these characters are fathers or father figures
male villains/antagonists:

- characterised by greed, gullony, cruelty
- other “ugliness” associated (big noses, bad teeth, glasses)
- goofiness
- sense of failure, clumsiness, bumbling
- often ‘sidekick villain’
old women (with overlaps):
 
- comedic value
- often respected by characters in their media, but not because of their role (except mrs finster as a principal)
- caregivers, family-orientated
- comedy from being involved in actions not associate with age
- the woc have the “magic person of colour” thing going on; grandma fa with her luck charms, mama odie with her magic
- their age acts as an “excuse” for their fatness: fatness in older
women, especially mother/grandmother figures is seen as comforting,
soft, and allowances are made for older characters “not trying” when it
comes to their appearance
female villains/antagonists:

- wrathful temper
- “ugly”
- their vanity used to mock them (ursula, queen of hearts)
- shown as controlling, often having “minions” to do their deeds for them
children:

- lilo is not fat, but by disney standards she is not the usual thin, so i’ve included her as relevant
- these characters are main characters in their media, although both share the spotlight (lilo/stitch, russel/carl)
- russell’s fatness is played for light laughs
- but largely they are saved from being demonised for their fatness by
their innocence, or their fatness is deemed cute. they are also not
given other “uglifying” features, like odd-shaped noses or bad teeth
wall-e:

- the fat characters in wall-e don’t fit into the above categories so neatly
- captain b is a hero of the story
- john and mary have a romance b-plot and are heroes during the climax
- but context has to be considered: every human character in wall-e is fat, and fatness is shown as the result of a terrible apocalypse-type situation.
- the physical comedy of fatness is also used, although there’s some
explanation of “bone loss”, the fatness is still the visual gag
- even so, fat characters are shown to be pushing and overcoming their
physical limitations in order to save the day; captain b when standing
for the first time in however long, his fight with the autopilot;
john/mary’s gradual decreased dependency on technology, and their work
in the climax to save the children from getting hurt as the ship tilts
i’m not sure how to conclude this post, which was really just a
thought that ran away with me. disney has long built villains around
fatness, and to say that critique of disney along the likes of sexism,
body image or anti-fatness are unnecessary or worthwhile is
short-sighted. laughing or cringing at the idea of a “plus size
princess” feeds into this idea that fat people are not worthy of lead
roles or romantic plots, especially fat women. wanting a media largely
consumed by children to be more inclusive is not “thinking too hard”.
Edited by Random Thoughts - Feb 03 2014 at 3:21pm
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:18pm |
ModelessDiva wrote:
Mixer wrote:
ModelessDiva wrote:
do we even all agree on what plus size is though?
lol | Don't start this. 
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Forreal? Forreal what? Forreal, "You wanna know?" or forreal, "Don't start this."
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:21pm |
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:22pm |
lilos sister was thick.
penny prouds mom was thick.
not disney.. but the incredibles characters were curvy.. also the mom on american dad and lois on family guy..
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Posted: Feb 03 2014 at 3:24pm |
now i do agree with making barbies average sized.....
because i dont necessarily like the idea of having average sized kids fawning over super skinny barbie dolls
barbie should be the size of the average young woman
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