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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

I see cultural similarities between Caribbean, South American and African Blacks.  Not so much with American blacks. 

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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

There are traces of African culture in AA culture. It's just that there not as obvious and self-evident as other places in the African diaspora because of the minority status of blacks in the U.S. It doesn't make sense to compare the U.S. with Brazil or Haiti or DR. Blacks in the U.S. are 10% of the population maybe? (I'm gonna let someone else provide the exact figure) There were less opportunities to hold on to certain cultural traits than elsewhere. In other countries, whites were the minority, not the other way around, even though they held the power.

Regardless, you can see remnants of African influence if you look and listen closely. Especially in the South.

I'll never forget going to a church in South Africa, for instance. It was like listening to an AA gospel choir. That put it all in perspective for me. Most AAs should experience that at least once.



we more like 15%, all of us dont do the census
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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

There are traces of African culture in AA culture. It's just that there not as obvious and self-evident as other places in the African diaspora because of the minority status of blacks in the U.S. It doesn't make sense to compare the U.S. with Brazil or Haiti or DR. Blacks in the U.S. are 10% of the population maybe? (I'm gonna let someone else provide the exact figure) There were less opportunities to hold on to certain cultural traits than elsewhere. In other countries, whites were the minority, not the other way around, even though they held the power.

Regardless, you can see remnants of African influence if you look and listen closely. Especially in the South.

I'll never forget going to a church in South Africa, for instance. It was like listening to an AA gospel choir. That put it all in perspective for me. Most AAs should experience that at least once.



everything up top. Also even Physical space. In the islands the plantations are close and the slaves could communicate with other slaves from neighbouring and the escaped slaves with much more ease and less distance to travel than the AA slaves. This is all my thinking though.

Ricky makes some valid points.


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Originally posted by Marcelo22 Marcelo22 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

There are traces of African culture in AA culture. It's just that there not as obvious and self-evident as other places in the African diaspora because of the minority status of blacks in the U.S. It doesn't make sense to compare the U.S. with Brazil or Haiti or DR. Blacks in the U.S. are 10% of the population maybe? (I'm gonna let someone else provide the exact figure) There were less opportunities to hold on to certain cultural traits than elsewhere. In other countries, whites were the minority, not the other way around, even though they held the power.

Regardless, you can see remnants of African influence if you look and listen closely. Especially in the South.

I'll never forget going to a church in South Africa, for instance. It was like listening to an AA gospel choir. That put it all in perspective for me. Most AAs should experience that at least once.




we more like 15%, all of us dont do the census


OK. Good to know. But that alone answers the OP's question. You can't compare a black community of 15%, that is submerged by whites on all sides with a community that is 85% black or even 50% black and mulatto.
It's easier to suppress 15% of a population than 85% or 50%.
Europeans tried to suppress African influences EVERYWHERE in the diaspora. They were more successful in some places than others.
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Originally posted by Wildfire Wildfire wrote:

Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

I see cultural similarities between Caribbean, South American and African Blacks.  Not so much with American blacks. 

IA

The AA gullah are very similar, maybe because they were off the mainland? 


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racism used several schemes to keep our population numbers down 

And for the most part we've succumbed to them


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Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

Originally posted by Wildfire Wildfire wrote:

Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

I see cultural similarities between Caribbean, South American and African Blacks.  Not so much with American blacks. 

IA

The AA gullah are very similar, maybe because they were off the mainland? 



Yea but that's not the majority.  Maybe bc the islands are smaller? I mean America is huge--but then again so is Brazil. Idk what it is. 

And I can agree with Nawlins---but a good part of the slaves who were there were slaves from Haiti who were taken there after the rebellion and Spanish slaves.  It must be a distinction between American slave masters v. French/Spaniard slavemasters and how they treated that peculiar institution.
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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

Originally posted by Wildfire Wildfire wrote:

Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

I see cultural similarities between Caribbean, South American and African Blacks.  Not so much with American blacks. 


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The AA gullah are very similar, maybe because they were off the mainland? 




Yea but that's not the majority.  Maybe bc the islands are smaller? I mean America is huge--but then again so is Brazil. Idk what it is. 

And I can agree with Nawlins---but a good part of the slaves who were there were slaves from Haiti who were taken there after the rebellion and Spanish slaves.  It must be a distinction between American slave masters v. French/Spaniard slavemasters and how they treated that peculiar institution.



I really think that the main reason is the ratio of blacks compared to whites. Coupled with the fact that the U.S. seceded from the initial colonizer and adopted its own brand of racism and population control.
Remember that in Haiti, a sizeable portion of the slaves were actually BORN in Africa by 1804. Not so with AAs. They stopped "importing" slaves fairly early and separated families more aggressively.
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^how long did they keep importing slaves in the islands? In many southern states I think slaves outnumbered whites for quite some time.  But I do agree with you that population and the fact that generations of blacks were born into slavery in America likely contributed to the dilution of African cultures. 
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