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Wow I could not live with that at all. Because they earned it? What about poor people? Did they deserve to be poor? Angry
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Originally posted by Prazol60 Prazol60 wrote:

Wow I could not live with that at all. Because they earned it? What about poor people? Did they deserve to be poor? Angry
in his mind, and people like him yes. they throw around statements like " people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps." etc.  So he feels as though the poor can pull themselves up but don't.
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The irony is his mother was on foodstamps after his parents divorced. And while he did go on to get his master's degree he was a full time hustler for a period of his life. He used federal aid to go to school. 
 
Which is where I am baffled. Now that a brother has gotten over, it's suddenly cool to cut the bootstraps that weren't even that great to begin with, out from those that currently need it. Eff that son!
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Nope. I can barely stand being friends with republicans, never mind sleeping with one!!! No thank you
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Reminds me of james carville, the democratic strategist, he is married to a woman who is very active in the republican party. Yuck.
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Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:

Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:

Well....since most Black womens are hopelessly enslaved to the Democratic establishment, the situation in the OP will probably be my fate. Disapprove


not all of usWinkTongue



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Originally posted by lovelife lovelife wrote:

Originally posted by blaquefoxx blaquefoxx wrote:


Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I'm tryna be a sovereign citizen outchea. 
<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Realest ish said in here...


Can anyone explain this to me? Some crazy guy on the bus was talking about it last year, but he was crazy, so I didn't pay him much attention.
 

The sovereign citizen movement claims that a person has the right under common law (or at least their bizarre sham definition thereof) to declare him/herself as essentially a nation unto themselves, and therefore may not be subject to the law of the land where they live. It is closely associated, among other things, with such extreme right wing causes as the tax protester movement and the militia movement in the United States. The term freeman on the land is a pseudolegal term assumed as a title by some would-be sovereigns, deriving from a complex and not-easily-explained conspiracy theory involving admiralty law and the Uniform Commercial Code.

Though a few stateless people exist in the world (most in permanent diplomatic limbo due to lack of any citizenship), and in the United States a few have somewhat arcane legal status allowing them to be citizens of their place of residence (currently recognized only in American Samoa and Swains Island) but not the U.S. at large, the idea that one can renounce one's citizenship in order to evade the laws of the land is not a right recognized in most countries. (U.S. courts generally consider this argument frivolous.)

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This claim is also associated with a few bizarre "debt elimination" scams which hold that if somebody files all the right paperwork with the government declaring themselves a sovereign citizen, they then have access to unlimited funds from the U.S. Treasury to pay off all their mortgages and other debts, similar to the theories of the redemption movement. The gist of the argument is that the Social Security Act established accounts at the U.S. Treasury for every American citizen and that declaring oneself a "sovereign citizen" gives one the legal right to issue "sight drafts" or "bills of exchange" which draw on your personal U.S. Treasury Account to pay off debts. This is not true, and those who have fallen for this scam have found the only person who gained access to any funds as a result was the scammer who charged them money to learn about this bizarre debt elimination method at his seminar.

An indication of the intellectual limitations for many members of the movement is indicated by the response of a Texas motorist to a December 4, 2008 traffic stop. "I am Texas Republican sovereignty. I do not recognize this as a legal traffic stop." He has been reported to have said this.[1]

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The sovereign citizen movement appears to be a direct descendant of the Posse Comitatus movement. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center the movement may have as many as 300,000 members.[2]

Although populist antistatism is associated with rural and small town whites in the American West, it has also appeared among urban African American squatters in the American South.[3] The Atlanta Journal Constitution has described them as "paper terrorists" for having the effrontery to squat in empty luxury homes in south Dekalb County.[4] DeKalb Deputy Chief Assistant District Attorney John Melvin expressed class outrage when he commented that, "It's amazing that these groups of citizens who like to proclaim they're Robin Hood only choose million-dollar homes. Shocking." Presumably they should do their squatting in mobile homes or hovels.[5]

Given the willingness to act on, rather than merely propound, their ideas, together with the selection of valuable properties for squatting, makes the movement resemble the "social banditry" that erupted in the past in predominantly peasant societies presenting extreme income inequality. This is egalitarian redistribution of wealth tricked up in the familiar, traditional language that politically legitimizes action. That it is occurring in an advanced industrial society, in the alienating suburbs of Atlanta, is novel.

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Could you have provided a more slanted article lol.

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Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:

Well....since most Black womens are hopelessly enslaved to the Democratic establishment, the situation in the OP will probably be my fate. Disapprove

Well you can always get you a white "womanz".  I'm sure she'll also be more forgiving of your midget stature!!Wink
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Originally posted by csungrl09 csungrl09 wrote:

Reminds me of james carville, the democratic strategist, he is married to a woman who is very active in the republican party. Yuck.


that's exactly who I was thinking of, Carville and Matalin(sp?). They seem to make it work well. And have made $ off it LOL
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My husband is a Libertarian (registered as an independent), and I'm a Democrat. He SAYS that he voted for Obama twice but I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote in Ron Paul Stern Smile He was popping bottles last night though.
 
Things get heated but we love each other all the same. We have some very lively debates.
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