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Mixed opinions.

I understand not wanting to be recognized solely for your race, but instead for the quality of your work. 

I find it absurd that we segregate bookstores and PUBLIC libraries ("African American" literature). It's insulting really. Toni Morrison writes American Literature, not just African American lit., and everyone should read it. She should be in the section sections as the White authors. 

With that said though, I see nothing wrong with a person referencing his/her race and using it as an opportunity to bring a different perspective/point of view to the table (bc our experiences in life are heavily influenced by our identity - racial/ethnic, religious, gender, etc). 



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This thread reminds me of an interview I heard from Don Cheadle and Kerry Washington a while ago, when the interview asked how they feel about being identified as 'black actors' in hollywood. 

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Q: When people reference your race when describing your career - is that a point of pride or is it overplayed in the media?

Don Cheadle: "I think I'm somewhat defined by my race and I'm good with that. I actually want that to be a part of my story. I don't believe in colorblind casting. I think that is something fight for in our work - we should use all aspects of ourselves. I'm always trying to find a place where that has an impact on what I'm doing instead of going "Oh well, we're all just people, we're the same, and I have the same issues you have."

Kerry Washington: "Yeah, I agree, I think it's relevant in the way that gender is relevant. I bring something to the table as a woman, I bring something to the table as a person of color. I feel that if it's the only thing you focus on, it's a danger, and if you never talk about it, it's a danger. The balance is where we should be living when it comes to race." 


Full interview for those interested. Love these two - very intelligent, articulate individuals thoughtfully and eloquently answering questions. 




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Do u guys think that if someone is mentioned for an accomplishment that its automatically assumed that they were white?

Random ex: first man to cure aids, or developer of time machine?
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Originally posted by creole booty creole booty wrote:

Do u guys think that if someone is mentioned for an accomplishment that its automatically assumed that they were white?

Random ex: first man to cure aids, or developer of time machine?


yes

also, I wonder if the first woman blah blah is okay, while the first black blah blah is not for some of you


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My sister and I JUST had this conversation and I have come to the following...As a "creative" I do not want to be a "black" artist because when you are known as a "black" artist/designer/buisness person\whatever you will then be placed into a certain category and everything about you becomes based on that label. 

I will use myself as an example because I don't want to use pretenses on the work of others.  when I design or illustrate characters as simply an "artist" or "illustrator with NO mention of my race or sex, I am free to draw whatever I want.  Most of my work includes a non-European aesthetic.  When I identify my work as being "black" it instantly becomes political in a way that I don't necessarily intend my work to be.  I want to be free to draw a blond haired white girl without somebody saying I want to look like that.  I want to have a variety of audiences embrace my afro wearing character because she's pretty and a well developed character...not because they want to sing kumbya.  My work that happens to have color...I want it to be great work that happens to have color in it.


As a black person becoming a "black [whatever]" anything in your life that is not "black enough" will come under fire.  I wouldn't care but telling people to kick rocks all the time would just become exhausting. lol  People intrject all of their own assumptions and schema into your life, they start thinking you said stuff you ain't said when you become a "black [whatever]".  You have to keep up with all things black.  I just like making things in my little hovel taking life one day at a time, I don't have the emotional energy to get into "the struggle" no more.
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Originally posted by purpulicious01 purpulicious01 wrote:

Mixed opinions.

I understand not wanting to be recognized solely for your race, but instead for the quality of your work. 

I find it absurd that we segregate bookstores and PUBLIC libraries ("African American" literature). It's insulting really. Toni Morrison writes American Literature, not just African American lit., and everyone should read it. She should be in the section sections as the White authors. 

With that said though, I see nothing wrong with a person referencing his/her race and using it as an opportunity to bring a different perspective/point of view to the table (bc our experiences in life are heavily influenced by our identity - racial/ethnic, religious, gender, etc). 




IA with this sentiment.  We will never become normalized into society if people can still choose to bypass us.
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When I was younger, I walked around B&N looking for something to read... came across African American novels or something like that. That bothered me. They were in a separate section. I don't judge those who consider themselves Black first. For the most part... I usually consider myself a woman first
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the word normalized is bothering me

I get what you are trying to say but it still bothers me lol

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Originally posted by creole booty creole booty wrote:

Do u guys think that if someone is mentioned for an accomplishment that its automatically assumed that they were white?

Random ex: first man to cure aids, or developer of time machine?

yes! Because whiteness operates as the norm/default...that's why some films will be described as "African American" whereas a film with an all white cast is just a romcom or drama etc. whiteness is invisible and universal at the same time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Sang Froid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 28 2014 at 7:41am
Man I'm mad as they desegregated black books in the library and B&N.
I'm really pissed at yall for that.
Now I gotta go through all these cracka books to find the nigguh books.
yall man.
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