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   <title><![CDATA[Would an Apology Matter? : I think showing you&amp;#039;re sorry,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=22096">tasty0619</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 1:13pm<br /><br />I think showing you're sorry, or regretful or whatever means more than saying it. At this point if they announced it I would be like -_-]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Would an Apology Matter? :   blaquefoxx wrote:  Alias_Avi...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 1:00pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" alt="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>blaquefoxx wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" alt="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Alias_Avi wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br />Becky's post reminds me of this<br /><br /><br />&lt;div ="posttitle"=""&gt;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;h2&gt;The Arab trader argument&lt;/h2&gt;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><br /><br /><br /><br /></td></tr></table><em>&lt;font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"&gt;Not only that, but the difference between the people she mentioned and us is that they <strong>still</strong> have an identity...<br />Marinate on that for a second<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley23.gif" border="0" alt="Geek" title="Geek" /></font></em><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Exactly]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35553">blaquefoxx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:57pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" alt="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Alias_Avi wrote:</strong><br /><br />Becky's post reminds me of this<br><br><br><div ="posttitle"="">					<h2>The Arab trader&nbsp;argument</h2>									</div><br></td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Not only that, but the difference between the people she mentioned and us is that they <b>still</b> have an identity...<br>Marinate on that for a second<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley23.gif" border="0" alt="Geek" title="Geek" /></font></i><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35553">blaquefoxx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:54pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jonesable" alt="Originally posted by jonesable" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jonesable wrote:</strong><br /><br />Didn't congress issue an apology regarding slavery not too long ago.<br><br>Was this mentioned already?<br><br>I really don't care, I don't pay too much attention to these white folk.<br></td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Yea I mentioned it in the OP...</font></i><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67304">jonesable</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:52pm<br /><br />Didn't congress issue an apology regarding slavery not too long ago.<br /><br />Was this mentioned already?<br /><br />I really don't care, I don't pay too much attention to these white folk most of them don't know, and even if they did they won't care.<br />I'm more concerned with other black people then some forced apology <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by jonesable - Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:55pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35553">blaquefoxx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:40pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by tatee" alt="Originally posted by tatee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>tatee wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" alt="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>blaquefoxx wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by tatee" alt="Originally posted by tatee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>tatee wrote:</strong><br /><br />what exactly should they apologize for and what is an apology without remorse and regret?&nbsp; it would be nothing more than a lie.&nbsp; they neither feel remorseful or regret slavery. it gave them all the power, wealth and created the nations they have.&nbsp; why exactly would they regret that power?&nbsp;<b> if anything its black people who should be apologizing to each other for not realizing that we had and have something worth dying for.</b><br><br>but&nbsp; cheers and lol @ thinking slavery ended.<br></td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Elaborate please <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></font></i><br></td></tr></table><br>&nbsp;we need to apologize to ourselves because we are a brainwashed people who can not even fathom the idea of greatness.&nbsp; part of an apology has to do with taking ownership of the role you played&nbsp; and understanding that it cant and will not happen again.&nbsp; yet as people we play the same role repeatedly because we dont grasp whats really at stake.&nbsp; if we really understood the magnitude of the situation there would be mass murder in the streets because the stakes are just that high.&nbsp; our staying darkness is a choice.&nbsp; we choose as a group because we are afraid that the little given will be lost and we believe that&nbsp; power is unknown to us. but individually you know that power is there and sometimes it feels like rage or electricity but you know its there laying in wait, waiting for you to just acknowledge its existence and tap into it... no, its easier to put our lives in the hands of someone else, its what we've become accustomed to, we do it by remote.&nbsp;&nbsp; to take hold of our destiny is frightening because it reminds us of something long ago hidden and rarely spoken of, wait it will come... <br>we should apologize for believing the great lie they tell us and passing that lie on to our children.&nbsp; for believing that we are not the greatest creation ever made.&nbsp;&nbsp; for believing that we have no history of note, when all history is ours. for believing that any knowledge, power and wealth they have is deserved and not stolen form us. for believing that the their god and ours is one in the same. but most of all we should apologize to each other for allowing them steal the very image of God. simply put, we should apologize for not thinking.<br><br></td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Very true. I also notice that many of our people often seek validation/approval<font size="3">, compassion and </font>correctness from white folk. That's why I asked would an apology even matter? Have we been so broken down to the point where we need them apologize to us, as if <b>that</b> in itself will put the batteries in our backs needed to uplift our nation and separate from them? Most people with common sense know that their words don't mean anything anyway *shrug*</font></i><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:35pm<br /><br />Becky's post reminds me of this<br><br><br><div ="posttitle"="">					<h2>The Arab trader&nbsp;argument</h2>									</div>									<p><br><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm&#111;ns/4/4a/G%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Jean-L%C3%A9&#111;n_The_Slave_Market.jpg" height="268" width="197" border="0" /></p><p><strong>The Arab trader argument</strong> is my name for an argument white Americans often use to defend the evil they do in the world.<strong> It goes like this: </strong>if white Americans do something evil and terrible it is all right – or at least not all that bad – so long as they can find at least one example from world history of someone else doing the same thing. Thus the Atlantic slave trade was not so bad because Arabs traders sold slaves too!</p><p>See how it works? Pretty cool trick.</p><p><em>Not!</em></p><p><strong>The thing is utterly morally bankrupt.</strong> It is the everyone-does-it argument that we tried when we were eight . Our mothers did not buy it then and it does not work now – except maybe for the morally blind.</p><p>But that is just what&nbsp; many white Americans seem to be:<strong> morally blind</strong>. They know the evil that is done in their name, not just in the past but even now, but they do not want to see it. And when they are faced with it, they try to excuse it with stuff like this.</p><p>Maybe moral blindness leads to <strong>morally broken thinking</strong> – or is it the other way round?</p><p>It would be<strong> like if I robbed a bank and then said,</strong> “People rob banks all the time, what is the big deal?” Or if I slept with someone’s wife and I said, “Your wife had an affair two years ago. See! I am not that bad. Why are you angry at me?”</p><p>Do you see how <strong>shameless </strong>this kind of argument is?</p><p><strong>It amazes me</strong> that anyone even tries it, <strong>for two reasons:</strong></p><ol><li>That anyone would waste more than two seconds <strong>trying to excuse something so clearly evil</strong>, like the slave trade, the Japanese American prison camps, racism, etc.</li><li>That they <strong>would try to use such a bad argument </strong>with a straight face and not see just how bad it is.</li></ol><p>But they do it.</p><p><strong>It seems to bring comfort to them</strong>, but that comfort is completely <strong>one-sided</strong>. It brings no comfort to those who have to suffer their evil. Like when the Jews were being sent to the death camps, did it bring any comfort to them to know that the Turks killed over a million Armenians?</p><p><strong>Forms of this argument:</strong></p><ul><li>This is the way we have always done it</li><li>Blacks do it too</li><li>Blacks are racist too</li><li>There will always be racists</li></ul><p><strong>Right and wrong</strong> are<strong> not determined</strong> or proved <strong>by what everyone does</strong>, much less by what <em>some </em>people do, like Arab traders. That would just excuse everyone to sink to the lowest, meanest, most evil levels of behaviour.</p><p>A simple and far better way to determine right and wrong, without getting deep into religion or philosophy, is the <strong>Golden Rule</strong>, which is not “Do unto others as some others have done”, as the Arab trader argument would have it, but “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Acts of racism fail this test by their very nature.</p><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Alias_Avi - Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:38pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Would an Apology Matter? :    bebe88 wrote:No, why do ppl...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35553">blaquefoxx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:21pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, <b>why do ppl always want to live in the past? </b><br>What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Notice how this argument ALWAYS comes up when it comes to slavery<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley12.gif" border="0" alt="Sleepy" title="Sleepy" /><br>That's the number one statement from White folks who don't give a sh!t and from complacent negroes.</font></i><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9125">Becky</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:04pm<br /><br /><DIV>Well, you can't compare what happened to American Blacks to what happened to the people in South Africa or the Jews during WWII or what happened with Indians after the British colonized them or what happened to the Irish when the British let them starve (literally) or what happened to the Chinese when the Japanese screwed them over during WWII or what happened to the&nbsp;Aborigines when the Austalians took their country or what happened to the American Indians when the&nbsp;Columbus 'discovered' America or what happened when&nbsp;the Hutus tried to wipe all the Tutus in Rwanda or when the Serbians&nbsp;committed that mass <FONT size=1>Genocide of Muslims&nbsp;(ethnic cleansing) or when &nbsp;</FONT>... and the list goes on and on.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Who's to say WHO's holocaust is worse? <strong><EM>They are all bad. <img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley11.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Dead" title="Dead" /></EM></strong>&nbsp; The world does not revolve around the problems of Black Americans.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In fact ... I am absolutely sure there is not one Tutu sitting around upset about the poor Black Americans living in the richest country in the world as their people are&nbsp;mainly not even living anymore.<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Ouch" title="Ouch" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Pretty much every country/culture throughout history and even currently (.. like what is happening currently with the Chinese taking over Tibet and building that build railroad so they can move in and step on those 'ugly' Tibeten ... and pretty much breed them out) ...&nbsp;<strong><EM>gets screwed over by someone else.</EM></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Geesh people ... the whole world is dealing with the same issues only they not hunched up in a corner complaining that nobody ever gave them an 'aplogy'.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In fact hee hee! ... when these groups go to America and see all the freedoms you have there - they even understand WHY Black folks are still complaining about their lot in life. Duh! Get real.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Finally the White people in America&nbsp;probably will not apologize because they personally did not own slaves and they don't see how it can be their personal failing that they are benifiting from that system in the long run - just because they happened&nbsp;to be born White.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>That's like those crazy Muslims that&nbsp;want to blow up Americans because of all the crap the US government has done to their country. That's how 9/11 happened.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>And yes, they feel that ALL Americans are&nbsp;personlly responsible for that situation in Iran/ Iraq/ Afganistan etc.&nbsp;So how come the Black folks here are not&nbsp;issuing a formal apology to the Muslims?</strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Geesh, you have to pull up your big girl panties and get on with life .. instead of walking around with your hands out expecting folks to give you something.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Ain't &nbsp;gonna work.</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Becky - Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 12:06pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=13198">tatee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:54am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" alt="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>blaquefoxx wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by tatee" alt="Originally posted by tatee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>tatee wrote:</strong><br /><br />what exactly should they apologize for and what is an apology without remorse and regret?&nbsp; it would be nothing more than a lie.&nbsp; they neither feel remorseful or regret slavery. it gave them all the power, wealth and created the nations they have.&nbsp; why exactly would they regret that power?&nbsp;<b> if anything its black people who should be apologizing to each other for not realizing that we had and have something worth dying for.</b><br><br>but&nbsp; cheers and lol @ thinking slavery ended.<br></td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Elaborate please <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></font></i><br></td></tr></table><br>&nbsp;we need to apologize to ourselves because we are a brainwashed people who can not even fathom the idea of greatness.&nbsp; part of an apology has to do with taking ownership of the role you played&nbsp; and understanding that it cant and will not happen again.&nbsp; yet as people we play the same role repeatedly because we dont grasp whats really at stake.&nbsp; if we really understood the magnitude of the situation there would be mass murder in the streets because the stakes are just that high.&nbsp; our staying darkness is a choice.&nbsp; we choose as a group because we are afraid that the little given will be lost and we believe that&nbsp; power is unknown to us. but individually you know that power is there and sometimes it feels like rage or electricity but you know its there laying in wait, waiting for you to just acknowledge its existence and tap into it... no, its easier to put our lives in the hands of someone else, its what we've become accustomed to, we do it by remote.&nbsp;&nbsp; to take hold of our destiny is frightening because it reminds us of something long ago hidden and rarely spoken of, wait it will come... <br>we should apologize for believing the great lie they tell us and passing that lie on to our children.&nbsp; for believing that we are not the greatest creation ever made.&nbsp;&nbsp; for believing that we have no history of note, when all history is ours. for believing that any knowledge, power and wealth they have is deserved and not stolen form us. for believing that the their god and ours is one in the same. but most of all we should apologize to each other for allowing them steal the very image of God. simply put, we should apologize for not thinking.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:22am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by dijah.love" alt="Originally posted by dijah.love" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>dijah.love wrote:</strong><br /><br />We don't need an apology that will come without results to actually change the overall state of disenfranchisement for AAs. <br><br><strong>We need real life results.</strong><br><br>Otherwise, how will an in-genuine apology help us more than the apologizers' feelings about their moral selves? At the end of the day, our overall status as black Americans will not change with "I'm sorry."</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Yaasss!</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:19am<br /><br />That's a good point<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Positive K" alt="Originally posted by Positive K" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Positive K wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by babyk94" alt="Originally posted by babyk94" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>babyk94 wrote:</strong><br /><br />We were always different Sang but, that doesn't mean we can't come together and fight for what's right. Some blacks didn't agree with the bus boycott.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>We were essentially the same at that point in time.</div><div>We're much more diverse now then we were 60 yrs ago.&nbsp;</div><div>We have no common goal....back then we did.</div></td></tr></table><br><br>we don't have to be the same to have an agenda tho...u think white people are all the same?....like Babyk said, <b>all black people weren't behind the Civil Rights Movement...it was just a strong, motivated core of black people that were able to get on the same page and get ish done that trickled down to all black people</b><br></td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11528">dijah.love</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:18am<br /><br />We don't need an apology that will come without results to actually change the overall state of disenfranchisement for AAs. <br /><br />We need real life results.<br /><br />Otherwise, how will an in-genuine apology help us more than the apologizers' feelings about their moral selves? At the end of the day, our overall status as black Americans will not change with "I'm sorry."]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=33126">afrokock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:13am<br /><br />blackcism as well is a huge hinderance to achieving what would/could be perceived as 'common goals'<br /><br />sings unc ruckus " dont trust 'em new niccas over there"]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=61969">babyk94</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:12am<br /><br />IA with you Sang that we don't have a common goal like we did before. It maybe because some blacks are comfortable with how things are now.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=65000">Sang Froid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:07am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by babyk94" alt="Originally posted by babyk94" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>babyk94 wrote:</strong><br /><br />We were always different Sang but, that doesn't mean we can't come together and fight for what's right. Some blacks didn't agree with the bus boycott.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>We were essentially the same at that point in time.</div><div>We're much more diverse now then we were 60 yrs ago.&nbsp;</div><div>We have no common goal....back then we did.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=65000">Sang Froid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:06am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" alt="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Alias_Avi wrote:</strong><br /><br />Well Sang, if we're "different" then we shouldn't call ourselves "a community"<br><br>There's no reason for us to be grouped if we don't have a common goal, right?<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>We don't really have a choice but to be grouped.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:06am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" alt="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>blaquefoxx wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by newdiva1" alt="Originally posted by newdiva1" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>newdiva1 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by James Avery" alt="Originally posted by James Avery" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>James Avery wrote:</strong><br /><br />it won't matter. the damage has already been done. i also doubt the apology will be sincere and heartfelt.<br></td></tr></table> <div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>IA.&nbsp; and they'd use this apology to excuse any fuccery that goes on. "Well we said we were sorry! What else do you want!?"</div></td></tr></table><i><font size="3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">They already do that with education and labor.<br><br>Like we finally taught yall niccas how to read OUR books and attend OUR schools and allow yall to work at OUR corporations...what else do yall want lol</font></i><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Don't forget housing and healthcare</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=61969">babyk94</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:05am<br /><br />We were always different Sang but, that doesn't mean we can't come together and fight for what's right. Some blacks didn't agree with the bus boycott.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=33126">afrokock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:04am<br /><br />america (white america) is not ready for a heart felt apology that will be followed by addressing all the social political and economical inequities that filtered down as a result <br /><br />as far as the israeli support america gives, well, i dont think the us is ready for a black nation within its borders. it is also too dependent on the minority dollar to survive fundng a black 'nation' with an amount that consitutes a developing country's gdp <br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by afrokock - Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:06am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=18411">EPITOME</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:03am<br /><br />hmmmm........this page is interesting]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=58440">bebe88</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:01am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by babyk94" alt="Originally posted by babyk94" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>babyk94 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, why do ppl always want to live in the past? <br />What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table> I think it's more like acknowleding the wrong doings of the past instead of continuing to sweep them under the rug.</td></tr></table> ok, that does make sense.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 11:00am<br /><br />Well Sang, if we're "different" then we shouldn't call ourselves "a community"<br><br>There's no reason for us to be grouped if we don't have a common goal, right?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=58440">bebe88</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:59am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by newdiva1" alt="Originally posted by newdiva1" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>newdiva1 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, why do ppl always want to live in the past? <br />What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table><br /> <div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I don't think it's a matter of living in the past....I think IMO it's more an acknowledgement of your wrong doings. </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>but...*shrugs* like it's been said.  What nation apologizes for winning and settin' sh*t up to benefit them?</div></td></tr></table> but the whites today did not do it....if there are still some around, they are old as hail. I dont think a 38 yo white man, apologizing on behalf of his great grand daddy would make a difference. Thats just me though. I have a nonchalant/ idgaf attitude anyway....<br /><br />I think ppl give way too many fux]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:59am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by babyk94" alt="Originally posted by babyk94" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>babyk94 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, why do ppl always want to live in the past? <br>What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table> I think it's more like acknowleding the wrong doings of the past instead of continuing to sweep them under the rug.</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=65000">Sang Froid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:59am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" alt="Originally posted by Alias_Avi" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Alias_Avi wrote:</strong><br /><br />I don't think Black people know where we wanna go individually and especially as a group<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>We're different.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=61969">babyk94</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:58am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, why do ppl always want to live in the past? <br />What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table> I think it's more like acknowleding the wrong doings of the past instead of continuing to sweep them under the rug.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:58am<br /><br />It's not about living "in the past" if the past effects the present<br><br>Nearly all of the conditions Black people face today has it's roots in Slavery, the Black codes, Jim Crow and institutional racism<br><br>All of those things that happened after slavery happened because America wasn't <i>truly </i>sorry<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, why do ppl always want to live in the past? <br>What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=17121">newdiva1</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:56am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bebe88" alt="Originally posted by bebe88" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bebe88 wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, why do ppl always want to live in the past? <br>What would be gained? Really?</td></tr></table> <div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I don't think it's a matter of living in the past....I think IMO it's more an acknowledgement of your wrong doings. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>but...*shrugs* like it's been said.&nbsp; What nation apologizes for winning and settin' sh*t up to benefit them?</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 353368<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;13&nbsp;2013 at 10:55am<br /><br />I don't think Black people know where we wanna go individually and especially as a group<br>]]>
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