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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;24&nbsp;2012 at 12:38am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <h3 ="bottom-indent="" entry-title"=""><font size="5">Urban Lives Saved by Suburban Gun Mayhem</font><br></h3>                                <a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">                        <img src="http://media.namx.org/images/editorial/2012/12/1217/k_goff_violence/violence_500x279.jpg" border="0" alt="Urban Lives Saved by Suburban Gun Mayhem" title="Urban Lives Saved by Suburban Gun Mayhem" />                        </a>                        <div ="story-tools"="">            <h2><span><span><strong>Story</strong> tools</span></span></h2>            <div =""="">                <p><a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#comments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Comments</a></p>                <p>                    <a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A</a>                    <a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A</a>                    <a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A</a>Resize                </p>                <p><a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Print</a></p>                                <p><a href="http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/urban-lives-saved-by-suburban-gun-mayhem.php#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Share and Email</a></p>                                            </div>        </div>                            <p ="date="" byline"="" style="color:#606060; font-size:6 pt; font-weight:bold;"><span ="source-org="" vcard"=""><a href="http://www.theroot.com/blogs/blogging-beltway/murder-20-children-and-six-adults-quiet-and-normally-safe-enclave-newtown-c&#111;n?wpisrc=root_lightbox" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Root</a></span>,Commentary,<span ="author="" vcard"="">                                <span ="fn"="">Kelly Goff</span>,            </span> Posted: <span ="updated="" dtstamp"="" title="      2012-12-17T15:47:35-08:00  ">Dec 17, 2012</span></p>            <br>Shortly after the Jovan Belcher tragedy I was asked on a television program whether or not the <a href="http://www.theroot.com/buzz/jovan-belcher-shot-girlfriend-fr&#111;nt-mom" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">NFL player's high-profile murder-suicide</a> and sports announcer Bob Costas' <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bob-costas-advocates-gun-c&#111;ntrol-sunday-night-football-164208209--nfl.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">courageous comments</a> about gun violence in the incident's aftermath would have any impact on gun control in America. I answered that they would not. The reason? Because as I noted during that interview, historically our country has only addressed the issue of gun violence when it touches the lives of those with whom our leaders are most likely to identify. Rarely are those likely to be incidents involving people of color suffering domestic violence or teens of color from low-income communities who are victims of urban gun violence.<br><br>Instead the gun tragedies that have actually moved our elected officials to significant action on gun control have been those incidents in which victims are most likely to remind our leaders of their own friends, families and communities, incidents like the <a href="http://articles.nydailynews.com/1998-05-03/news/18066946_1_automatic-weap&#111;ns-lirr-gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">1993 shooting</a> on a Long Island Rail Road train, which killed commuters from New York's professional class or the 1999 <a href="http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nati&#111;n/2009-04-13-columbine-myths_N.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Columbine High School shooting</a>, which made gun control the cause célèbre of white suburban moms, culminating in the <a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2088114_2087975_2087974,00.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Million Mom March</a> in 2000. <br><br>Now it appears another incident is poised to finally move our leaders to action once again, 13 years after Columbine. The murder of 20 children and six adults in the quiet and normally safe enclave of <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti&#111;n=news/local/northern_suburbs&amp;id=8920181" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Newtown, Conn.</a>, on Dec. 14 is forcing a conversation about gun control that the shooting of 26 residents in one night <a href="http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-14/news/chi-2-shot-in-separate-south-side-shootings-20121013_1_west-woodlawn-neighborhood-roseland-neighborhood-gunshot-wound" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">in Chicago this summer</a> -- resulting in the deaths of two teens and injury of 24 others -- could not. As previously noted in an analysis by the now-defunct the Daily, more Chicago residents, many of them urban youth, were killed by gun violence in the first half of 2012 than American soldiers were <a href="http://www.huffingt&#111;npost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">killed in Afghanistan</a> during the same period. <br><br>Just think about those numbers for a moment.<br><br>Yet I don't recall elected officials of either party making the rounds of the <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/12/bloomberg-offers-obama-gun-c&#111;ntrol-to-do-list.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sunday morning news</a> shows, explicitly to urge action in honor of those kids. But that has happened in the wake of the Newtown tragedy, just as it happened briefly in the wake of the Aurora, Colo., movie theater tragedy. But the difference between the incident in Aurora and the latest one in Newtown is that Aurora took place months before an election, a time in which very few politicians, including the president, feel their most politically courageous, particularly when it comes to provoking the ire of the political giant that is the National Rifle Association. As I <a href="http://www.huffingt&#111;npost.com/keli-goff/gun-c&#111;ntrol-race_b_1694682.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">wrote at the time</a>, apparently there are four branches of government: the executive, the legislative, the judicial and the NRA. Perhaps it would have been more accurate for me to write that the NRA was the most influential undeclared candidate in the presidential race, not to mention every Senate and House race, too.<br><br>Now with the election safely in the rearview mirror, here's hoping our leaders will drum up a bit more courage before another tragedy unfolds. <a href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/12/16/feinstein_will_seek_new_gun_law.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Some</a> already have begun to. <br><br>After Columbine, some newly inspired gun-control activists, many of them upper-middle-class mothers from predominantly white communities, <a href="http://www.huffingt&#111;npost.com/keli-goff/gun-c&#111;ntrol-race_b_1694682.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">expressed regret</a> to mothers of color for not being involved in the fight for gun control earlier, when gun violence claimed the lives of kids who didn't grow up in leafy suburbs and whose deaths were not likely to garner extensive coverage on the nightly news. The activism ignited by Columbine resulted in more stringent gun control laws and more diligent enforcement of existing laws, particularly on the <a href="http://www.usnews.com/opini&#111;n/articles/2009/04/20/10-years-after-columbine-fear-sells-guns-and-america-is-still-buying" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">state level</a>. <br><br>Now, more than a decade later, the cycle appears to be repeating itself. Here's hoping that this time around, the activism the Newtown tragedy sparks will have long-term impact on communities like Newtown nationwide, and as a result, also impact urban communities that appear on the outside to have little in common with the tony Connecticut suburb, but are now united in the shared tragedy and heartbreak of young lives cut short by gun violence.</td></tr></table>]]>
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Photograph: US navy/Reuters</div></div><div id="article--blocks"><p>People often ask me, in terms of my argument about "ten steps" that mark the descent to a police state or closed society, at what stage we are. I am sorry to say that with the importation of what will be tens of thousands of <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/dr&#111;nes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">drones</font></u></a>, by both <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-military" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">US military</font></u></a> and by commercial interests, into US airspace, with a specific mandate to engage in <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/surveillance" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">surveillance</font></u></a> and with the capacity for weaponization – which is due to begin in earnest at the start of the new year – it means that the police state is now officially here.</p><p>In February of this year, <a href="http://www.washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2012/feb/7/coming-to-a-sky-near-you/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">Congress passed the FAA Reauthorization Act</font></u></a>, with its provision to deploy fleets of drones domestically. Jennifer Lynch, an attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, notes that this followed a major lobbying effort, "a huge push by &#091;…&#093; the defense sector" to promote the use of drones in American skies: 30,000 of them are expected to be in use by 2020, some as small as hummingbirds – meaning that you won't necessarily see them, tracking your meeting with your fellow-activists, with your accountant or your congressman, or filming your cruising the bars or your assignation with your lover, as its video-gathering whirs.</p><p>Others will be as big as passenger planes. Business-friendly <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/12/13/the-future-of-dr&#111;nes-in-america/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">media stress their planned abundant use</font></u></a> by corporations: <a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2018090173_dr&#111;nes28m.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">police in Seattle have already deployed</font></u></a> them. </p><p>An <a href="http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/dr&#111;nes1.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">unclassified US air force document reported by CBS (pdf)</font></u></a> news expands on this unprecedented and unconstitutional step – one that formally brings the military into the role of controlling domestic populations on US soil, which is the bright line that separates a democracy from a military oligarchy. (The US constitution allows for the deployment of National Guard units by governors, who are answerable to the people; but this system is intended, as is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">posse comitatus</font></u></a>, to prevent the military from taking action aimed at US citizens domestically.)</p><p>The air force document explains that the air force will be overseeing the deployment of its own military surveillance drones within the borders of the US; that it may keep video and other data it collects with these drones for 90 days without a warrant – and will then, retroactively, determine if the material can be retained – which does away for good with the fourth amendment in these cases. While the drones are not supposed to specifically "conduct non-consensual surveillance on on specifically identified US persons", according to the document, the wording allows for domestic military surveillance of non-"specifically identified" people (that is, a group of activists or protesters) and it comes with the important caveat, also seemingly wholly unconstitutional, that it may not target individuals "unless expressly approved by the secretary of Defense".</p><p>In other words, the Pentagon can now send a domestic drone to hover outside your apartment window, collecting footage of you and your family, if the secretary of Defense approves it. Or it may track you and your friends and pick up audio of your conversations, on your way, say, to <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/protest" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">protest</font></u></a> or vote or talk to your representative, if you are not "specifically identified", a determination that is so vague as to be meaningless. </p><p>What happens to those images, that audio? "Distribution of domestic imagery" can go to various other government agencies without your consent, and that imagery can, in that case, be distributed to various government agencies; it may also include your most private moments and most personal activities. The authorized "collected information may incidentally include US persons or private property without consent". Jennifer Lynch of the Electronic Frontier Foundation told CBS:</p><blockquote><p>"In some records that were released by the air force recently … under their rules, they are allowed to fly drones in public areas and record information on domestic situations."</p></blockquote><p>This document accompanies a major federal push for drone deployment this year in the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/usa" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">United States</font></u></a>, accompanied by federal policies to encourage law enforcement agencies to obtain and use them locally, as well as by federal support for their commercial deployment. That is to say: now HSBC, Chase, Halliburton etc can have their very own fleets of domestic surveillance drones. The FAA recently established a more efficient process for local police departments to get permits for their own squadrons of drones.</p><p>Given the Department of Homeland Security militarization of police departments, once the circle is completed with San Francisco or New York or Chicago local cops having their own drone fleet – and with Chase, HSBC and other banks having hired local police, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/nypd-for-hire-cops-mo&#111;nlighting-banks" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">as I reported here last week</font></u></a> – the meshing of military, domestic law enforcement, and commercial interests is absolute. You don't need a messy, distressing declaration of martial law.</p><p>And drone fleets owned by private corporations means that a first amendment right of assembly is now over: if Occupy is massing outside of a bank, send the drone fleet to surveil, track and harass them. If citizens rally outside the local Capitol? Same thing. As one of my readers put it, the scary thing about this new arrangement is deniability: bad things done to citizens by drones can be denied by private interests – "Oh, that must have been an LAPD drone" – and LAPD can insist that it must have been a private industry drone. For where, of course, will be the accountability from citizens buzzed or worse by these things?</p><p>Domestic drone use is here, and the meshing has begun: local <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57409759/dr&#111;ne-use-in-the-u.s-raises-privacy-c&#111;ncerns/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">cops in Grand Forks, North Dakota called in a DHS Predator drone</font></u></a> – the same make that has caused hundreds of civilian casualties in Pakistan – over a dispute involving a herd of cattle. The military rollout in process and planned, within the US, is massive: the <a href="http://www.csm&#111;nitor.com/USA/2012/0616/Dr&#111;nes-over-America.-Are-they-spying-&#111;n-you" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">Christian Science Monitor reports</font></u></a> that a total of 110 military sites for drone activity are either built or will be built, in 39 states. That covers America.</p><p>We don't need a military takeover: with these capabilities on US soil and this air force white paper authorization for data collection, the military will be effectively in control of the private lives of American citizens. And these drones are not yet weaponized.</p><p>"I don't think it's crazy to worry about weaponized drones. There is a real consensus that has emerged against allowing weaponized drones domestically. The International Association of Chiefs of Police has recommended against it," warns Jay Stanley, senior policy analyst at the ACLU, noting that there is already political pressure in favor of weaponization:</p><blockquote><p>"At the same time, it is inevitable that we will see &#091;increased&#093; pressure to allow weaponized drones. The way that it will unfold is probably this: somebody will want to put a relatively 'soft' nonlethal weapon on a drone for crowd control. And then things will ratchet up from there."</p></blockquote><p>And the risk of that? The <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/killing-civilians-obamas-dr&#111;ne-war-in-pakistan/5315661" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">New America Foundation's report on drone use in Pakistan noted</font></u></a> that the Guardian had confirmed 193 children's deaths from drone attacks in seven years. It noted that for the deaths of ten militants, 1,400 civilians with no involvement in terrorism also died. Not surprisingly, everyone in that region is traumatized: children scream when they hear drones. An NYU and Stanford Law School report notes that drones "terrorize citizens 24 hours a day".</p><p>If US drones may first be weaponized with crowd-control features, not lethal force features, but with no risk to military or to police departments or DHS, the playing field for freedom of assembly is changed forever. So is our private life, as the ACLU's Stanley explains:</p><blockquote><p>"Our biggest concerns about the deployment of drones domestically is that they will be used to create pervasive surveillance networks. The danger would be that an ordinary individual once they step out of their house will be monitored by a drone everywhere they walk or drive. They may not be aware of it. They might monitored or tracked by some silent invisible drone everywhere they walk or drive."</p></blockquote><p>"So what? Why should they worry?" I asked.</p><blockquote><p>"Your comings and goings can be very revealing of who you are and what you are doing and reveal very intrusive things about you – what houses of worship you are going to, political meetings, particular doctors, your friends' and lovers' houses."</p></blockquote><p>I mentioned the air force white paper. "Isn't the military not supposed to be spying on Americans?" I asked.</p><blockquote><p>"Yes, the posse comitatus act passed in the 19th century forbids a military role in law enforcement among Americans."</p></blockquote><p>What can we do if we want to oppose this? I wondered. According to Stanley, many states are passing legislation banning domestic drone use. Once again, in the fight to keep America a republic, grassroots activism is pitched in an unequal contest against a militarized federal government.</p></div></div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;22&nbsp;2012 at 4:39am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br /><br /></td></tr></table><br />Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<br /><br />We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Okay I see. <br />I was just reading recently that only 2% of drone strike causalities were suspected militants. The rest were innocent people mostly children. That puts a bad taste in my mouth. <strong>That seems to be Obama's favorite weapon of choice.</strong></td></tr></table><br />Yes.<br /><br />And he personally orders all of them.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br /><br />This.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=19627">happy 4b</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:49pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br /><br /></td></tr></table><br />Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<br /><br />We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Okay I see. <br />I was just reading recently that only 2% of drone strike causalities were suspected militants. The rest were innocent people mostly children. That puts a bad taste in my mouth. <strong>That seems to be Obama's favorite weapon of choice.</strong></td></tr></table><br />Yes.<br /><br />And he personally orders all of them.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />I think that is the biggest gripe I have with his administration. His excessive use of drones.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=81128">Midwest_Da_Gawd</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:41pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br><br></td></tr></table><br>Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<br><br>We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<br></td></tr></table> <br><br>Okay I see. <br>I was just reading recently that only 2% of drone strike causalities were suspected militants. The rest were innocent people mostly children. That puts a bad taste in my mouth. <b>That seems to be Obama's favorite weapon of choice.</b></td></tr></table><br>Yes.<br><br>And he personally orders all of them.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:35pm<br /><br />I <i>really </i>want people to understand the difference between these two things... like <i>really </i>want<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br><br></td></tr></table><br>Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<br><br>We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<br></td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=19627">happy 4b</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:20pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br /><br /></td></tr></table><br />Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<br /><br />We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Okay I see. <br />I was just reading recently that only 2% of drone strike causalities were suspected militants. The rest were innocent people mostly children. That puts a bad taste in my mouth. That seems to be Obama's favorite weapon of choice.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by happy 4b - Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:26pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=61969">babyk94</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:16pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<BR><BR></td></tr></table><BR>Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<BR><BR>We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<BR></td></tr></table> Yep ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=81128">Midwest_Da_Gawd</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:14pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by happy 4b" alt="Originally posted by happy 4b" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>happy 4b wrote:</strong><br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br><br></td></tr></table><br>Nobody is comparing tragedies here.<br><br>We're comparing the RESPONSE to these tragedies.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=19627">happy 4b</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 11:13pm<br /><br />We really shouldn't compare tragedies.<br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67248">Alias_Avi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 10:34pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <h1>Vijay Prashad: Deaths of children that don’t make news</h1>						<div ="byline"="">					By VIJAY PRASHAD				<div ="date"="">													Monday, December 17, 2012													<br> (Published in print: Tuesday, December 18, 2012)								</div>							</div>			<div =""="">									<br><br>					    																									<p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--dateline"="">NORTHAMPTON — No community easily suffers the death of children. Accidents, violent crimes and illness: the cause is immaterial.</p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"=""> No death of a child is for a reason. All such deaths are senseless.</p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">In his emotional address shortly after news came of the massacre in Newtown, Conn., President Obama pointed to the frequency of such mass crimes and nudged the country to widen our field of vision: “Whether it is an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago — these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children.” </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">The contrary nudge came in his last destination, the “street corner in Chicago.” </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">When a singular mass killing occurs in mainly affluent suburbs, it shocks the nation — and rightly so. But it might be a shock to some to know that this year alone 117 children died from handgun violence in Chicago. These deaths do not get discussed, let alone memorialized in the national conversation of tragedy.</p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">There are at least two reasons for this. First, these deaths do not happen in a spectacular fashion. They take place in ones and twos, often in the lonely hours of the night when bullets depart from their targets and settle in the soft tissue of children asleep in their homes, or in the afternoon as they play on the sidewalk.		</p>								<p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">Take the case of April 12. One-year-old Jayliah Allen was shot while she slept in her bed, the bullet entering the window. Seven-year-old Derrick Robeteau was shot in the leg while playing outside his grandfather’s home and a 7-year-old girl was shot as she stood outside her home. Three children hit by handguns in one day, but in an unspectacular form. </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">Second, old racist habits linger. These are African-American and Latino kids, whose neighborhoods are considered dangerous. Which is why when Jayliah and Derrick were killed no one called their neighborhoods bucolic or thought that this violence was senseless. There is a hardness that has entered our consciousness, allowing us to avoid the sealed fates of these kids.</p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">No memorials exist as well for the 178 children killed by U.S. drone strikes in the borderlands of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Noor Aziz, 8, Talha, 8, Najibullah, 13, Adnan, 16, Hizbullah, 10, Wilayat Khan, 11, Asadullah, 9, Sohail, 7: these are some of the names of children killed by the drones. News reports frequently say “three militants killed,” and then a few days later, in the Pakistani press, one hears that amongst the dead were children with no association with the militants. Unlike the street shootings in Chicago, there have been mass killings by drones, which have received only minimal attention. On Oct. 30, 2006, a U.S. drone struck a school in Bajaur, Pakistan, killing 83 people. The New York Times story ran Nov. 10 with the headline, “American Strike in January Missed Al-Qaeda’s No. 2 By a Few Hours.” </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">The Times noted in the story that the drone hit “a madrasa, or religious school,” but left it at that. It did not mention that only three of those killed were older than 20. The rest were between the ages of 7 and 17. </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">There was no apology for this strike, authorized by the White House, no call to put an end to this kind of tragedy. One of the more unseemly coincidences of the Newtown massacre is that just down the road from the elementary school is Forecast International, a military intelligence firm that has been bullish on drones.</p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">On Oct. 23, Time’s Joe Klein was on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. Host Joe Scarborough spoke passionately against the use of drones, saying “it seems so antiseptic and yet you have 4-year-old girls being blown to bits because we have a policy that now says, ‘You know what? Instead of trying to go in and take the risk and get the terrorists out of hiding in a Karachi suburb, we’re just going to blow up everyone around them.’ ” </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">Klein, a defender of the Obama record, answered emotionlessly, “The bottom line in the end is — whose 4-year-old gets killed? What we’re doing is limiting the possibility that 4-year-olds here will get killed by indiscriminate acts of terror.” </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">Such a callous calculation is not Klein’s alone; it is reflected in the general lack of concern for what is being carried out in our name.</p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"="">No human beings can tolerate to see their children killed. No human beings, not anywhere. </p><p ="hg-daily="" hampshire="" gazette--text"=""> Vijay Prashad, who lives in Northampton, is the author of “Arab Spring, Libyan Winter” (AK Press).</td></tr></table></p>							</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Alias_Avi - Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 10:34pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=36833">Rumbera</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 12:34pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by EPITOME" alt="Originally posted by EPITOME" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>EPITOME wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><b>I don't think Obama's feelings would have been any different if they were black children....he has black children.</b><div>White folks probably wouldn't care as much though....they'd use it as another reason to be racist.</div><div>I'm going to be real honest right now.</div><div>That recent shooting didn't move me all that much.....but it would have if the children were mostly black.</div></td></tr></table><div><br>&nbsp;</div><div><strong>the shooting moved me bc innocence lost is lost no matter the race</strong></div><div>my mom told me she felt this tragedy in all ways bc she has a daughter in elementary school and one teacher who died is my age..</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:57am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br />Of course, it hits closer to home when it's close to you. But children remain children, whether they are in the U.S, in Kenya (you know, where is dad is from?), in&nbsp;Yemen or in the North Pole. That's why I just can't get behind politicians' tears. I just don't trust it. How you gonna have a kill list that you replenish EVERY SINGLE WEEK knowing that these drones are bound to hit innocent civilians and that they are NOT as precise and "surgical" as you make it out to be and then try to convince that you give a shyt about kids in general? I understand he has a difficult job and has to make hard choices but a politician is a politician is a politician</td></tr></table> <DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>You act like he built the drones with his bare hands.</DIV><DIV>Honestly speaking, nobody cares.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>You don't care because you are an entitled american. there are people who care. And I saw a documentary about this not too long ago. This drone system has taken flight UNDER HIS REGIME. He cannot blame Bush for that</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And I wanted to add that these drones attacks are in violation of about a dozen international treaties. But americans don't give a fucc about that</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Drones are allowed to fly in the US too right?&nbsp; Has that happened yet?&nbsp; I havent been keeping up with it lately.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 7:54am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by femmemichelle" alt="Originally posted by femmemichelle" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>femmemichelle wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br />Of course, it hits closer to home when it's close to you. But children remain children, whether they are in the U.S, in Kenya (you know, where is dad is from?), in&nbsp;Yemen or in the North Pole. That's why I just can't get behind politicians' tears. I just don't trust it. How you gonna have a kill list that you replenish EVERY SINGLE WEEK knowing that these drones are bound to hit innocent civilians and that they are NOT as precise and "surgical" as you make it out to be and then try to convince that you give a shyt about kids in general? I understand he has a difficult job and has to make hard choices but a politician is a politician is a politician</td></tr></table> <DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>You act like he built the drones with his bare hands.</DIV><DIV>Honestly speaking, nobody cares.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>This is why nobody likes the US.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>This is why people can't stand us! Not because they're jealous. But because most of yall are hella insensitive and ignorant about the rest of the world.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yup. And frankly, sometimes people outside the U.S. know more about U.S policies than americans themselves. I've seen brilliant documentaries and pieces of investigative journalism (both during the Bush era and the Obama era) that NEVER MADE IT ON AMERICAN AIRWAVES and never will. Hell, when Obama was elected, I shouted and screamed and beamed with pride like everyone else. And then I learned a few things and realized that he's not nearly as progressive as he appears to be on some topics. Frankly, I don't even know why republicans dislike him so much (aside from the obvious colour of his skin) because they ain't joking when they say that he is a centrist. There are things happening under his administration that even that cursed Bush did not touch</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=18411">EPITOME</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 6:57am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><b>I don't think Obama's feelings would have been any different if they were black children....he has black children.</b><div>White folks probably wouldn't care as much though....they'd use it as another reason to be racist.</div><div>I'm going to be real honest right now.</div><div>That recent shooting didn't move me all that much.....but it would have if the children were mostly black.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>which many in this thread have overlooked.</div><div>is politics biased toward the majority? of course.</div><div>does the media create stories from what they think will interest most? of course</div><div>many very serious matters are not covered in the news, matters that need discussion that are not remotely race based.</div><div><br></div><div>though politics is a game with facades--it's interesting to me when people demand empathy but question when it is displayed. as if every situation deserves the same degree of consideration.</div><div>humans aren't like that and i doubt even those posting are that consistent</div><div>arent some saying? i would care more if they were black?</div><div>you mean--you have the same mindset as the majority but applied to a different group--you care more about some than others</div><div><br></div><div>the shooting moved me bc innocence lost is lost no matter the race</div><div>my mom told me she felt this tragedy in all ways bc she has a daughter in elementary school and one teacher who died is my age..</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=45345">ms_wonderland</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 5:41am<br /><br />Heh, well Yt tragedies often don't feel like tragedy...they usually feel more like a universal balance.  This event, however, was unimaginable in more ways than one.  We may not be yt but we can all remember the innocence we harbored at 6 yrs old.  I Do feel resentful when abducted white children get all the airtime but even my jaded mind can't shake how sad this is.  Those kids didn't even know what type of world they were living in yet.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=33126">afrokock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 5:22am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br />I don't think Obama's feelings would have been any different if they were black children....he has black children.<div>White folks probably wouldn't care as much though....they'd use it as another reason to be racist.</div><div>I'm going to be real honest right now.</div><div>That recent shooting didn't move me all that much.....but it would have if the children were mostly black.</div></td></tr></table> i can agree with this whole post ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=47108">mrshairdo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 5:18am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><b>I don't think Obama's feelings would have been any different if they were black children....he has black children.</b><div>White folks probably wouldn't care as much though....they'd use it as another reason to be racist.</div><div>I'm going to be real honest right now.</div><div>That recent shooting didn't move me all that much.....but it would have if the children were mostly black.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>i agree with this and didn't he get flack for speaking about trayvon when this other white family got mad that he didn't speak about their child</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=65000">Sang Froid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 5:16am<br /><br />I don't think Obama's feelings would have been any different if they were black children....he has black children.<div>White folks probably wouldn't care as much though....they'd use it as another reason to be racist.</div><div>I'm going to be real honest right now.</div><div>That recent shooting didn't move me all that much.....but it would have if the children were mostly black.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89810">SweetNovember*</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 4:50am<br /><br />This was my first thought. How he wanna get up there and pretend he crying when his actions or inactions have indirectly led to the deaths and maiming of hundreds of other children? I can't stand hypocrisy. And this is coming from someone who likes Obama.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=33126">afrokock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 2:36am<br /><br />imagine what mm could do with a solid a education <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=13576">rickysrose</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 11:40pm<br /><br />the republicans are probably all over him for crying<div><br></div><div>Im almost afraid to say that because Id hate to see the commentary posted</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=14558">keepgrowing</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:55pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JasonWllms55" alt="Originally posted by JasonWllms55" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JasonWllms55 wrote:</strong><br /><br />i didnt read the thread, but since the whole shooting happened ive really felt there was a racial undertone in the media's response and Obama's.&nbsp; i really dont feel like the response would have been the same had it been a black shooter or black victims. thats just me though. <br><br><br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I agree. I felt like this since the batman movie massacre and Lilica's siggy explains my feelings perfectly.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=14558">keepgrowing</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:53pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by rickysrose" alt="Originally posted by rickysrose" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>rickysrose wrote:</strong><br /><br />He sends his kids to school everyday knowing that out there, there are people that wish him harm<div><br></div><div>I could see this hitting home for him</div><div><br></div><div>So for people that feel his tears were empty ... this didn't affect you at all? &nbsp;Not a tear, not a tinge?</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Of course, I was affected by this tragedy. Those were 5-7 year old kids. But folks don't want to admit that politicians will display certain emotions for political capital, and that can include Obama himself. There was a really interesting documentary on this a few years back, where expert analysts of human behaviour/body language&nbsp;were analyzing televised responses by various politicians from different countries (there was one with Tony Blair that was just hilarious). I saw it and I think that some of the emotion he displayed was feigned. Not that I'm saying he wasn't touched by what happened, if he's human, he probably was. But politicians choreograph their responses all the time and that's what it looked like TO ME.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><div style=": rgb255, 255, 255; margin-left: 2px; margin-top: 2px; margin-right: 2px; margin-bottom: 2px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by rickysrose" alt="Originally posted by rickysrose" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>rickysrose wrote:</strong><br /><br />He sends his kids to school everyday knowing that out there, there are people that wish him harm<div><br></div><div>I could see this hitting home for him</div><div><br></div><div>So for people that feel his tears were empty ... this didn't affect you at all? &nbsp;Not a tear, not a tinge?</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Of course, I was affected by this tragedy. Those were 5-7 year old kids. But folks don't want to admit that politicians will display certain emotions for political capital, and that can include Obama himself. There was a really interesting documentary on this a few years back, where expert analysts of human behaviour/body language&nbsp;were analyzing televised responses by various politicians from different countries (there was one with Tony Blair that was just hilarious). I saw it and I think that some of the emotion he displayed was feigned. Not that I'm saying he wasn't touched by what happened, if he's human, he probably was. But politicians choreograph their responses all the time and that's what it looked like TO ME.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>As much as I hate to defend politicians, from my recent experiences in my school (where we are being coached on how to physically display affection even though we are very compassionate to people's ailments) and it is more difficult than it looks. How a person might feel inwardly might not always align to what is being displayed outwardly. Politicians are scrutinized down to every pore. And the old saying "actions speaks louder than words" rings especially true in their case. So it is necessary at times to be coached so that these two states can be reconciled. So I don't know why it is so baffling to think that they will need choreographing. This world is superficial.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>In Obama's case, you can obviously tell he was distressed by what happened. The US president crying contradicts the intimidating, stoic, (yet relatable ONLY to his fellow americans), figure that this nation wants to display their president as being to other countries. Him crying goes against everything that he is encouraged to display.</div></div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=76527">JoliePoufiasse</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by femmemichelle" alt="Originally posted by femmemichelle" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>femmemichelle wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br />Of course, it hits closer to home when it's close to you. But children remain children, whether they are in the U.S, in Kenya (you know, where is dad is from?), in&nbsp;Yemen or in the North Pole. That's why I just can't get behind politicians' tears. I just don't trust it. How you gonna have a kill list that you replenish EVERY SINGLE WEEK knowing that these drones are bound to hit innocent civilians and that they are NOT as precise and "surgical" as you make it out to be and then try to convince that you give a shyt about kids in general? I understand he has a difficult job and has to make hard choices but a politician is a politician is a politician</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>You act like he built the drones with his bare hands.</div><div>Honestly speaking, nobody cares.</div><div><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>This is why nobody likes the US.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>This is why people can't stand us! Not because they're jealous. But because most of yall are hella insensitive and ignorant about the rest of the world.</div><div>&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Yup. And frankly, sometimes people outside the U.S. know more about U.S policies than americans themselves. I've seen brilliant documentaries and pieces of investigative journalism (both during the Bush era and the Obama era) that NEVER MADE IT ON AMERICAN AIRWAVES and never will. Hell, when Obama was elected, I shouted and screamed and beamed with pride like everyone else. And then I learned a few things and realized that he's not nearly as progressive as he appears to be on some topics. Frankly, I don't even know why republicans dislike him so much (aside from the obvious colour of his skin) because they ain't joking when they say that he is a centrist. There are things happening under his administration that even that cursed Bush did not touch</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=50861">JasonWllms55</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:26pm<br /><br />i didnt read the thread, but since the whole shooting happened ive really felt there was a racial undertone in the media's response and Obama's.&nbsp; i really dont feel like the response would have been the same had it been a black shooter or black victims. thats just me though. <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11950">stardaqueenb23</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:23pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by BrownQtee" alt="Originally posted by BrownQtee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>BrownQtee wrote:</strong><br /><br />When you have representatives such as Michelle Bachmann being reelected, there is definitely a big problem. I do think blacks need to get more involved in their local political races.</td></tr></table> I am originally from MN so I had to go in on folks via FB for this f#ckery. I found so many black folks at my poling station talking about they are only voting top line for Obama. I had to actually explain to grown people why they needed to vote for the local races like I was damn civics teacher. I don't even live in the hood either so I can only imagine how few people give a f#ck in the real inner city. <br /><br />For what it is worth I see both sides of this argument. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Where&#039;s Obama&#039;s tears for THESE kids? :    Sang Froid wrote:   JoliePoufiasse...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=21901">femmemichelle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:22pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br />Of course, it hits closer to home when it's close to you. But children remain children, whether they are in the U.S, in Kenya (you know, where is dad is from?), in&nbsp;Yemen or in the North Pole. That's why I just can't get behind politicians' tears. I just don't trust it. How you gonna have a kill list that you replenish EVERY SINGLE WEEK knowing that these drones are bound to hit innocent civilians and that they are NOT as precise and "surgical" as you make it out to be and then try to convince that you give a shyt about kids in general? I understand he has a difficult job and has to make hard choices but a politician is a politician is a politician</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>You act like he built the drones with his bare hands.</div><div>Honestly speaking, nobody cares.</div><div><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>This is why nobody likes the US.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>This is why people can't stand us! Not because they're jealous. But because most of yall are hella insensitive and ignorant about the rest of the world.</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=76527">JoliePoufiasse</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:22pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ms_wonderland" alt="Originally posted by ms_wonderland" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ms_wonderland wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" alt="Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>JoliePoufiasse wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ms_wonderland" alt="Originally posted by ms_wonderland" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ms_wonderland wrote:</strong><br /><br />every leader of every powerful nation has had to kill. &nbsp;</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I know. And I understand that. But that's the exact reason why I didn't believe in his tears. It's just too neatly compartmentalized in these leaders' minds. He definitely did NOT deserve that Nobel Prize, even though I'm aware he never asked for it in the first place. He gets his hands dirty like any other politician</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>i do agree with your theory on politicians but i don't believe it is all so black/white. &nbsp;that violence occurred within borders he is supposed to keep safe...he did not "fake" cry during the aurora shooting b/c it was not a classroom of 1st graders. <strong>&nbsp;but i do have a question...do you think he is able to feel for tragedies within his own family?</strong></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Of course. You are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that he has no feelings. In lots of ways, he is a man of principles and there are aspects of him that I admire. But he is also a politician and I just didn't buy the teary eyed response. It looked fake and overkill to me. Maybe not to you, but that's how I saw it. The man is a career politician first and foremost. They have teams that advise them how to respond in public, on camera during events like this. Let's not act like that never happens and that he is somehow immune to it. Maybe I'm being cynical. I just didn,t buy it.<br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=76527">JoliePoufiasse</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 352405<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;20&nbsp;2012 at 10:17pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by rickysrose" alt="Originally posted by rickysrose" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>rickysrose wrote:</strong><br /><br />He sends his kids to school everyday knowing that out there, there are people that wish him harm<div><br></div><div>I could see this hitting home for him</div><div><br></div><div>So for people that feel his tears were empty ... this didn't affect you at all? &nbsp;Not a tear, not a tinge?</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Of course, I was affected by this tragedy. Those were 5-7 year old kids. But folks don't want to admit that politicians will display certain emotions for political capital, and that can include Obama himself. There was a really interesting documentary on this a few years back, where expert analysts of human behaviour/body language&nbsp;were analyzing televised responses by various politicians from different countries (there was one with Tony Blair that was just hilarious). I saw it and I think that some of the emotion he displayed was feigned. Not that I'm saying he wasn't touched by what happened, if he's human, he probably was. But politicians choreograph their responses all the time and that's what it looked like TO ME.</div>]]>
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