Black Hair Media Forum : weight lifting and anti androgen http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/ Tue, 21 May 2013 18:54:31 +0000 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:42:16 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.15 360 Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=353934 <![CDATA[Black Hair Media Forum]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com//forum_images/BHM_Logo_v5_Forum.jpg http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/ <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : wow thats interesting please...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10172816.html#10172816 Author: bubblepuff76
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Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 10:42pm

wow thats interesting please report back Nattydoll although when i take saw palmetto my butt turns really soft and feels droopy lol


Edited by bubblepuff76 - Feb 27 2013 at 10:44pm]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:42:16 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10172816.html#10172816 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : I&#039;ve looked into this in...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10171682.html#10171682 Author: NattyDoll
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Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 12:52pm

I've looked into this in the past.

From what I know, red clover is only a phytoestrogen, although I'm not saying it might not have some anti-androgen traits (I just don't know about any). So you want to look into a legit anti-androgen (I use Saw Palmetto extract, and a lot of people swear by spearmint tea).

Testosterone is what builds muscle in the body. An anti-androgen will prevent the T from turning into DHT. A lot of people think this is why it becomes harder to grow muscle while taking an anti-androgen. However, DHT has nothing to do with creating muscle, so preventing it from making that transformation isn't affecting your growth at all.

ON THE OTHER HAND, when T can't transform into DHT, the body instead transforms it into estrogen. This is what may make it harder for some women to grow muscle while on anti-androgens, because high E makes it harder for the body to build muscle (hence why men are larger than women). I'm still not 100% sure on how much this conversion switch affects most women, so I'd love to see BrazilianBabe ellaborate more again later. Wink

Personally, I've been taking anti-androgens along with estrogenic and progesterone herbs this entire past year. I have still been able to build muscle (I'm finally getting hamstrings now that I've joined a gym), although sometimes I wonder if I were to stop taking my anti-androgens, or even lowering the dose, if that would make a huge difference. On the plus side, the extra estrogen flowing throughout my body from the T conversion has helped me go from my previous banana shape to my current curvy pear shape. Due to my incredibly high T levels, I think that by leveling out my hormones, I've been able to achieve my natural intended shape without even having to worry about exercise (although I must say, the exercise has definitely added to my shape!)

It might work differently in different people's bodies, so you can always do as Babygurl suggested and go a few months on, few months off. Just keep in mind that some people grow a lot of muscle at first and then plateau, while others don't grow at all and then suddenly hit a growth spurt. So this could affect your results as well.

I actually ran out of my Saw Palmetto recently, and don't have the money yet to buy more, so I may be trying this experiment whether I like it or not. :/ Although, unfortunately, without SP, I won't be able to take my maca, as it gives me terrible acne. But once I do buy it again, I may try taking less this time around. Save money AND see if it helps me build muscle!

Good luck in the experiment!
]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:52:32 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10171682.html#10171682 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : Brazilianbabe wrote:Sorry....]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10162733.html#10162733 Author: MzWannaNewBooty
Subject: 353934
Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 6:39pm

Originally posted by Brazilianbabe Brazilianbabe wrote:

Sorry. Didn't mean to delete it. I actually wanted to add more info cuz that day in class we learned about how hormones play a role in genetics and I wanted to post that but when I went to post it everything I wrote was deleted!:,(. Here a quick summary. Estrogen and testosterone make certain traits recessive and dominant so having a lot of estrogen compared to testosterone could make it harder to gain muscle, a characteristic dominat for men and ressecive for us ladies. I'll explain more when I have the time
Bumping for more info!
]]> Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:39:05 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10162733.html#10162733 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : Sorry. Didn&#039;t mean to delete...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10114440.html#10114440 Author: Brazilianbabe
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Posted: Feb 02 2013 at 11:41am

Sorry. Didn't mean to delete it. I actually wanted to add more info cuz that day in class we learned about how hormones play a role in genetics and I wanted to post that but when I went to post it everything I wrote was deleted!:,(. Here a quick summary. Estrogen and testosterone make certain traits recessive and dominant so having a lot of estrogen compared to testosterone could make it harder to gain muscle, a characteristic dominat for men and ressecive for us ladies. I'll explain more when I have the time]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:41:40 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10114440.html#10114440 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : FRIG what did i miss!!! Why...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10113789.html#10113789 Author: Babygurl2012
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 10:16pm

FRIG what did i miss!!! Why did you delete all that info Brazilianbabe it looked really interesting! :( well i remember what you wrote n it made a lot of sense Hug stay in schoolStar ]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:16:43 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10113789.html#10113789 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : .Edited by Brazilianbabe - Jan292013...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10105460.html#10105460 Author: Brazilianbabe
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Posted: Jan 28 2013 at 8:38pm

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Edited by Brazilianbabe - Jan 29 2013 at 2:52pm]]> Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:38:09 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10105460.html#10105460 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : Hey blackbarbie, its really hard...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101647.html#10101647 Author: Babygurl2012
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Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 12:59pm

Hey blackbarbie, its really hard to say whether or not anti androgen/ estrogen effects Weight Training. You would literally have to experiment with 3-6 months WT with and without those herbs to truly find out. (which may not be a bad idea, its basically what im doing..... Spend half the year on no herbs, just weight gain and WT, then next 6 months use estrogenic herbs while maintaing aWT routine but not going ALL OUT) (sorry if thats confusing)

if it helps you make a better decision thoigh, ive been a member on this forum almost a year (lurking for longer) and 4-5 monthsago a member named Talbott came back to bhm to let us know saw palmetto and WT together were not yeilding any results, which she assumed was b/c of the anti- androgen effect. Nobody reallyhas proof, but i totally trust her experience, and after she stoped SP she saw growth from weight training.

Hth :( im hoping someone can jump in here and school us :(

Wantstolearn is very correct too, you should be in a weight gaining mode, eat more and stick to just you WT routine and light cardio, avoid repetitive actions with your legs. Every 10 lbs should grant you an inch of booty]]> Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:59:56 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101647.html#10101647 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : I think its still harder to gain...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101498.html#10101498 Author: laquintak
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Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 12:05pm

I think its still harder to gain muscle when you are trying to increase estrogen which red clover will do. imo ]]> Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:05:40 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101498.html#10101498 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : I bet its more likely your method...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101242.html#10101242 Author: Wants2Learn
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Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 5:05am

I bet its more likely your method more than anything bc the only way to get a bigger butt with weights is to gain weight.when you workout while maintaining your same weight thats all you do..maintain. If you tend to gain in your stomach its harder but i doubt its the herbs. Hope u find ur answer!
]]> Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:05:46 +0000 http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101242.html#10101242 <![CDATA[weight lifting and anti androgen : Hi everyone I decided to make...]]> http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/weight-lifting-and-anti-androgen_topic353934_post10101194.html#10101194 Author: blackbarbie411
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Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 1:30am

Hi everyone I decided to make an account after about a year of lurking here.  I have been weight lifting for about 6 months now but I am also taking redclover as I have too much testosterone. Red clover I believe is an antiandrogen, although some places say that its an estrogen. I havent been getting much results in the booty department even though ive been hitting those wights pretty hard. I believe that its because of the redclover and the aguaje i sometimes take. They help to keep my waist slim but they definitely dont help with building muscle. To all of you ladies taking estrogenic or anti-androgenic herbs and trying to build muscle at the same time how are you on the results?
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