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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=56519">bigheddz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;18&nbsp;2012 at 3:35pm<br /><br /><DIV>I would say Zoroastrianism is more related to Hinduism than any of the Semitic religions that arose from the Mesopotamian.&nbsp;Zoroastrianism&nbsp;I believe came from Old Indo-Aryan polytheistic beliefs, with Zoroaster deciding to worship one of the gods and the other successors of the old beliefs became what is now Hinduism. Very similar to the Hebrew religion, descending from the&nbsp;old semitic religions of Mesopotamia which Hebrews eventually began to worship only one of the Semitic gods named Yahweh.&nbsp;I could be wrong, knowledge of Indo-Aryan religions&nbsp;are&nbsp;definitely a weak point&nbsp;of mine.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Cool that you got a chance to meet one, my college president was one, but&nbsp;I never spoke to him before. He was from India actually, but being in the Bible Belt&nbsp;I think he kept silent about his religion.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would not say that all atheists are on a mission to dismantle one's faith in religion, however i've met quite a few, and told me it was their mission. Like some Christians, they felt compelled to spread the word and save us all. It depends on the person</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;14&nbsp;2012 at 12:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><b>Zoroastrianism the first religion?</b> Egyptian and Mesopotamian religions probably predates it, i never found the religion the least bit interesting, nor its cousin Hinduism</td></tr></table><br><br><img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /> I did say that.&nbsp; I meant first monotheistic religion.&nbsp;&nbsp; For that reason I have a hard time thinking of it as a cousin of Hinduism.&nbsp; The origin or Zoroastrianism is Mesopotamian and it is believed to have a lot more to do with the monotheism of the Abrahamic religions than people realize.&nbsp; The concept of good vs. evil is a major part of the doctrine (a Jesus and a Lucifer) of fighting over mankind).&nbsp; The other theme is the Older Brother / Younger Brother rivalry that runs through the bible in so many stories.&nbsp; Kind of fascinating but thats just my opinion. &nbsp;&nbsp; I love compare and contrast.&nbsp; <br><br>I actually got to interview someone who is part of the very very small number of people who practice Zoroastrianism&nbsp; and it was really interesting to hear how much the caste system plays a role with believers.&nbsp; She was married to an African American - for shame!<br><br>I hate that people really believe atheists are on a mission to get other people to abandon their gods.&nbsp; Its not one of my personal goals.&nbsp; I know several people who really need to start practicing the faith they proclaim<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" alt="Angry" title="Angry" />.&nbsp; <br><br>It also scares me to think what&nbsp; believers who fear a higher power and only refrain from mayhem because of that would do if the covers came off.&nbsp; I fear that all "hell" would literally break loose.&nbsp;&nbsp; Especially if there is nothing to replace the good parts that the world has embraced. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=56519">bigheddz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;11&nbsp;2012 at 6:55pm<br /><br />Zoroastrianism the first religion? Egyptian and Mesopotamian religions probably predates it, i never found the religion the least bit interesting, nor its cousin Hinduism]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=56519">bigheddz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;11&nbsp;2012 at 6:44pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><DIV><BR><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>To reply to the topic directly<I><B> when Atheists write books about not believing in a god, <FONT color=#ff0000>having rallies, advertising(literally spreading the word and dedicated web sites), creating Atheist groups/organizations and developing what seems to be a movement then at the point it has become conceptually the same as a religion.</FONT></B></I> All of these things are happening, and they seem to have strong convictions. one of the signs of a religious atheist or a dedicated Atheist is when said person consistently participates in topics of religion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>In conclusion, I will say that many atheists can be considered religious, but not all. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV></td></tr></table><BR><BR>I was completely with you until the bolded.&nbsp;&nbsp; This statement could be applied to any group of like minded people who come together to share ideas and possibly bring about reforms, etc.&nbsp; Are these religious organizations?:<BR><BR>- Civil Rights Movement<BR>- Gary Rights Movement<BR>- Mothers against Drunk Driving<BR>- KKK<BR>- Democrats<BR>- Republicans<BR>- National Teachers Association<BR><BR>Its not that I disagree with the idea of what you're saying I just find it to be an inaccurate way to move atheism into the category of religion.&nbsp; TO ME, it makes more sense to move religion under the category of an organization with a purpose like all of the above.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Or better still call religion what it is and I think you (bigheddz) described it perfectly.&nbsp; Religion is about moving with a faith in higher beings.&nbsp; There is no need to retrofit those who disagree or do not carry that faith in gods or spirits into the category of religion.&nbsp; <BR><BR>I also think that being very interested in religion doesn't necessarily make one religious either.&nbsp; Personally I find religion to be one of the most fascinating topics in the human experience.&nbsp; My interest is in ALL religions going back to the original religion which is believed to be Zoroastrianism.&nbsp; I am just as interested in history and social science but we don't have sections for that<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />.<BR><BR>I think this is a great topic by the way OP<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">The bolded was to illustrate Atheism can be very organized, dogmatic and philosophical; therefore you have an equivalent to a religion(or as I said in my post “conceptually the same” as a religion) minus devotion to a god, Yet the gods are obviously the center of attention in most forms of Atheism albeit in a negative fashion.&nbsp;The issue is Atheists are reluctant to admit it. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Buddhism, Confucianism, Stoicism, Epicureanism,&nbsp;Cynicism and Platonism are all dogmatic and philosophical. All of these doctrines are&nbsp;meant to be followed in a way that is&nbsp;identical to a religion, yet are not generally consider religions at least not by popular opinion because they do not feature an explicitly mandated ritual to a god.&nbsp; However, being a disciple of any of the above philosophies&nbsp;clearly ties them to the doctrine in a religious way, just as being an Atheist devoted to dismantling a religion, god or persuading others they should give up their faith, is a form of discipleship to the cause. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Perhaps it is all a matter of perspective, these days people say they are not religious but spiritual, yet exhibit all the ingredients of a religion.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; : white" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I am not necessarily moving Atheism in the religion category but saying that Religions, forms of Atheism, schools of philosophy and certain traditions belong in the same category. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 10:57am<br /><br />Whew.&nbsp; I can even respond to the second post right now.&nbsp; It would take entirely too long<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" alt="Cry" title="Cry" />.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 10:53am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><font color="#666666">Here's the double standard, if I didn't agree with you that Mos Def was extremely talented and you called me delusional for not thinking the same way as you, <b><font color="#333333">you are subliminally enforcing your belief on me. </font></b>In the same sense, if you were to question my "mental stability" because of my religious views, you are doing the same thing as those that go around enforcing their beliefs on you. <font color="#333333"><b>In essence, that would make your way of thinking as religious as the spiritual person that does believe in God except that person does not criticize you for your way of think they're just bringing that point across and allowing you the decision to agree or disagree. </b></font></font><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Do you really think there is subliminal intent in calling something you see it?&nbsp;&nbsp; Also...You must be new here if you really believe religious people don't go ape sh*t over the mere idea of atheism<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; <br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><font color="#666666">A<b><font color="#333333">theism is the belief in the lack of deities but it's also the belief in the science behind the reason for the lack of deities in which goes back to your original statement that one that doesn't believe in your logic of the non-existence of a God is "delusional" or "mentally unstable" <font color="#FF0000">because he/she may have had their personal relationship with God that you have not seen.</font></font></b> If you don't believe them, they won't call you delusional but the double standard comes in you calling them delusional for what they've personally seen or their experiences in life in which their deity has brought them out of. </font><img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>For my assessment of gods there was literally no science involved, only history.&nbsp; In any event science is used everyday to make decisions every second of every day.&nbsp; The "science" of meteorology helps you decide whether or not to wear a coat.&nbsp; <br><br>Again, if you tell me you saw a fairy riding on a unicorn and she told you to spread the word that there is gold at the end of the rainbow, I would think you were delusional.&nbsp; If that hurts your feelings I care because I <i>do </i>care about people's feelings, but I would still have the same opinion.&nbsp; <br><br>One more time!&nbsp; If you think religious people won't / don't call atheists much worse things than delusional then I am 100% certain that you are.&nbsp; Being invited to burn in the mythological hell is NOT "turn the other cheekish"<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.<br><br>But being called a heathen always makes me giggle<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0" alt="Embarrassed" title="Embarrassed" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 6:50pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><div><br><p style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang="EN">To reply to the topic directly<i><b> when Atheists write books about not believing in a god, <font color="#FF0000">having rallies, advertising(literally spreading the word and dedicated web sites), creating Atheist groups/organizations and developing what seems to be a movement then at the point it has become conceptually the same as a religion.</font></b></i> All of these things are happening, and they seem to have strong convictions. one of the signs of a religious atheist or a dedicated Atheist is when said person consistently participates in topics of religion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang="EN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang="EN">In conclusion, I will say that many atheists can be considered religious, but not all. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></td></tr></table><br><br>I was completely with you until the bolded.&nbsp;&nbsp; This statement could be applied to any group of like minded people who come together to share ideas and possibly bring about reforms, etc.&nbsp; Are these religious organizations?:<br><br><b>- Civil Rights Movement </b><font color="#666666">(lol, seriously, equality amongst African-Americans targets a religion)</font><br><b>- Gary Rights Movement </b><font color="#666666">(Gay rights? Being gay isn't a religion, matter fact both these movements were to fight against discrimination which do not reflect a religion)</font><br><b>- Mothers against Drunk Driving </b><font color="#666666">(Still off topic)</font><br><b>- KKK </b><font color="#666666">(Hate crime but not against religion although they do look for false scriptures in the bible)</font><br><span id="ToolBar2"></span><b>- Democrats</b><font color="#666666"> (Politics not religion)</font><b><br>- Republicans </b><font color="#666666">(Politics not religion)</font><b><br>- National Teachers Association</b> <font color="#666666">(Yea, lol, I'm lost here)</font><br><br><font color="#666666">These groups do not persuade others out of their religious view nor reflect any ideas pertaining to how one views birth, life and death with moral values to one's life on this earth.</font><br><br>Its not that I disagree with the idea of what you're saying I just find it to be an inaccurate way to move atheism into the category of religion.&nbsp; TO ME, it makes more sense to move religion under the category of an organization with a purpose like all of the above.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Or better still call religion what it is and I think you (bigheddz) described it perfectly.&nbsp; Religion is about moving with a faith in higher beings.&nbsp; There is no need to retrofit those who disagree or do not carry that<b><u> faith</u></b> in gods or spirits into the category of religion.&nbsp; <br><br>I also think that being very interested in religion doesn't necessarily make one religious either.&nbsp; Personally I find religion to be one of the most fascinating topics in the human experience.&nbsp; My interest is in ALL religions going back to the original religion which is believed to be Zoroastrianism.&nbsp; I am just as interested in history and social science but we don't have sections for that<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />.<br><br>I think this is a great topic by the way OP<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" /><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">Let's break down the word, "faith".<br><br>Faith is simply a belief or assumption in something. <br><br>Atheism is the faith, belief or assumption in the non-existence of a God but also the faith, belief or assuming in the science that proves that there isn't any existence of a God.<br><br>If 80% to 90% of scientist are athiest and they're job is to disprove the non-existence of a God, you have faith in their judgement that God doesn't exist. Your moral understanding is that one that believes in a God is delusion so you have a code of ethics that the belief in a God is a poison to one's life that judges their mental stability. You avoid believing in a God because that is your way of life therefore you follow a guideline or a religion.<br></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 6:15pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><b><u>If you believe that I am enforcing those non-beliefs on you you're wrong. I would only do that because I would have a genuine concern about your mental stability if you REALLY believed in those non-existent things and that could actually hurt you in the life you are living here and now.</u>&nbsp; </b><u><b>If didn't birth you or marry you, I'm not that pressed to convince you that you might be delusional</b>.</u><br><br><font color="#666666">I'm confused by this statement because you said that you're not enforcing those non-beliefs while criticizing that one that believes in a God is delusional or that you question their "mental stability". <br><br>Isn't that a double standard as to saying that you won't press someone with scientific knowledge that a God doesn't exist but you are calling them dumb for believing in a God?</font><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Disagreement does not always equal criticism.&nbsp; I don't think this is a double standard and I'm not calling anyone dumb.&nbsp; Why do religious people get so offended by the opinion that believing in gods is delusional?&nbsp; That is what I believe but you are free to prove to me that I'm wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp; IMO it meets the definition.<br><br><h2 ="def-er"=""><font color="#0000FF"><span>Definition of <em>DELUSION</em></span></font></h2><font color="#0000FF"><em ="sn"="">a</em>   <strong>:</strong> something that is falsely or <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti&#111;nary/delusively" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">delusively</a> believed or propagated<br><br></font><div ="scnt"=""><font color="#0000FF"><span ="ssens"=""><em ="sn"="">b</em>   <strong>:</strong> a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; <em>also</em>   <strong>:</strong> the abnormal state marked by such beliefs </span></font></div><br>I am willing to use another word if delusional is too hurtful but the thing is people will be offended no matter how I say it<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" />.&nbsp; <br><br><b><u>If I said Mos Def was extremely talented and you believed with all your heart that he is the worst rapper / actor of all time would I be forcing you to believe something or stating my opinion / view</u></b>. <br><br><font color="#666666">Here's the double standard, if I didn't agree with you that Mos Def was extremely talented and you called me delusional for not thinking the same way as you, you are subliminally enforcing your belief on me. In the same sense, if you were to question my "mental stability" because of my religious views, you are doing the same thing as those that go around enforcing their beliefs on you. In essence, that would make your way of thinking as religious as the spiritual person that does believe in God except that person does not criticize you for your way of think they're just bringing that point across and allowing you the decision to agree or disagree. <br><br></font><br><b><u>This argument you're making about enforcing views ONLY seems to apply to religion and politics (which I believe are the same thing by the way) and only when someone disagrees.&nbsp;</u></b> <br><br><font color="#666666">At one point in history, religion and politics were hand in hand so in a way you can say politics can be associated with religion especially when politicians use religion to coincide with their statements during political debates that touch topics such as pro-abortion/ anti-abortion, death penalty, life in prison, gay marriage, etc...<br><br>In my statement before, religion is more focused on a way of life, code of ethics whereas politics is simply based on rules used to govern a nation.<br></font><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><font color="#666666">But not every religious person believes in a God. I know monks don't.</font><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Only referring to atheism with my response, not religion.&nbsp; ATHEISM is the lack of belief in deities period.&nbsp; Again, this is MY answer to your question in the OP. &nbsp; <br></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">Atheism is the belief in the lack of deities but it's also the belief in the science behind the reason for the lack of deities in which goes back to your original statement that one that doesn't believe in your logic of the non-existence of a God is "delusional" or "mentally unstable" because he/she may have had their personal relationship with God that you have not seen. If you don't believe them, they won't call you delusional but the double standard comes in you calling them delusional for what they've personally seen or their experiences in life in which their deity has brought them out of. </font><img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by SensitiveSwag - Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 6:17pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 5:53pm<br /><br /><font color="#666666">Thanks&nbsp;<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 9:20am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><div><br><p style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang="EN">To reply to the topic directly<i><b> when Atheists write books about not believing in a god, <font color="#FF0000">having rallies, advertising(literally spreading the word and dedicated web sites), creating Atheist groups/organizations and developing what seems to be a movement then at the point it has become conceptually the same as a religion.</font></b></i> All of these things are happening, and they seem to have strong convictions. one of the signs of a religious atheist or a dedicated Atheist is when said person consistently participates in topics of religion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang="EN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang="EN">In conclusion, I will say that many atheists can be considered religious, but not all. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></td></tr></table><br><br>I was completely with you until the bolded.&nbsp;&nbsp; This statement could be applied to any group of like minded people who come together to share ideas and possibly bring about reforms, etc.&nbsp; Are these religious organizations?:<br><br>- Civil Rights Movement<br>- Gary Rights Movement<br>- Mothers against Drunk Driving<br>- KKK<br>- Democrats<br>- Republicans<br>- National Teachers Association<br><br>Its not that I disagree with the idea of what you're saying I just find it to be an inaccurate way to move atheism into the category of religion.&nbsp; TO ME, it makes more sense to move religion under the category of an organization with a purpose like all of the above.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Or better still call religion what it is and I think you (bigheddz) described it perfectly.&nbsp; Religion is about moving with a faith in higher beings.&nbsp; There is no need to retrofit those who disagree or do not carry that faith in gods or spirits into the category of religion.&nbsp; <br><br>I also think that being very interested in religion doesn't necessarily make one religious either.&nbsp; Personally I find religion to be one of the most fascinating topics in the human experience.&nbsp; My interest is in ALL religions going back to the original religion which is believed to be Zoroastrianism.&nbsp; I am just as interested in history and social science but we don't have sections for that<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />.<br><br>I think this is a great topic by the way OP<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" /><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by kfoxx1998 - Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 9:20am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 8:59am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><b><u>If you believe that I am enforcing those non-beliefs on you you're wrong. I would only do that because I would have a genuine concern about your mental stability if you REALLY believed in those non-existent things and that could actually hurt you in the life you are living here and now.</u>&nbsp; </b><u><b>If didn't birth you or marry you, I'm not that pressed to convince you that you might be delusional</b>.</u><br><br><font color="#666666">I'm confused by this statement because you said that you're not enforcing those non-beliefs while criticizing that one that believes in a God is delusional or that you question their "mental stability". <br><br>Isn't that a double standard as to saying that you won't press someone with scientific knowledge that a God doesn't exist but you are calling them dumb for believing in a God?</font><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Disagreement does not always equal criticism.&nbsp; I don't think this is a double standard and I'm not calling anyone dumb.&nbsp; Why do religious people get so offended by the opinion that believing in gods is delusional?&nbsp; That is what I believe but you are free to prove to me that I'm wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp; IMO it meets the definition.<br><br><h2 ="def-er"><font color="#0000FF"><span>Definition of <em>DELUSION</em></span></font></h2><font color="#0000FF"><em ="sn">a</em>   <strong>:</strong> something that is falsely or <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti&#111;nary/delusively" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">delusively</a> believed or propagated<br><br></font><div ="scnt"><font color="#0000FF"><span ="ssens"><em ="sn">b</em>   <strong>:</strong> a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; <em>also</em>   <strong>:</strong> the abnormal state marked by such beliefs </span></font></div><br>I am willing to use another word if delusional is too hurtful but the thing is people will be offended no matter how I say it<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" />.&nbsp; <br><br>If I said Mos Def was extremely talented and you believed with all your heart that he is the worst rapper / actor of all time would I be forcing you to believe something or stating my opinion / view.&nbsp; This argument you're making about enforcing views ONLY seems to apply to religion and politics (which I believe are the same thing by the way) and only when someone disagrees.&nbsp; <br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><font color="#666666">But not every religious person believes in a God. I know monks don't.</font><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Only referring to atheism with my response, not religion.&nbsp; ATHEISM is the lack of belief in deities period.&nbsp; Again, this is MY answer to your question in the OP. &nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=56519">bigheddz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 5:29am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><FONT color=#666666>Let's discuss this..<BR><BR>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<BR><BR>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<BR><BR>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<BR><BR><BR></FONT></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>religion would be better defined as a belief with dogma or philosophy toward an idea, place or thing. theism, or simply acknowledging the existence of a god is not religious. Not acknowledging the existence of a god isn't religious either. however once you add dogma and some sort philosophy behind it then you have theistic religions and non-theistic religions, respectively. Also faith should not be considered a prerequisite to&nbsp;religion nor synonymous.</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV></td></tr></table><BR><BR><FONT color=#666666>My head hurts trying to dissect your concept. I guess your saying that one that has a religion in God has a belief in something with dogma attached to it to segregate the belief in a God itself as an entity of it's own but that still would put it under a religion. However not acknowledging God but also discrediting it with man's view on it being non-existent would mean you've put your belief in that man's knowledge which can also be defined as faith or assumption in that.<BR><BR>Unless you were there in the advent of time itself to see it exist as there not being a God hence being the first man not believing in a God wouldn't that make you have faith in something with that being a religion itself called atheism?<BR></FONT></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>I think the issue is defining religion and&nbsp;using it the same way one would use the word faith.&nbsp;Religion is separate from the person, it is a system.&nbsp;Faith is not separate from the person, it is a feeling.&nbsp;Having faith is putting your trust in something. People often put their faith in religion. However people put their faith in many other things, other people(their leaders, parents, etc) in their own abilities in sports, business, etc.&nbsp; Faith is what gives religion its power; it generally gives anything it touches power. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>I would not consider acknowledging the existence of a god religious. I would say putting your faith in said god would definitely make that a candidate for religion, but not simply putting your faith in the “idea” of a god. Theism and Atheism alone deal with the idea of a god, rather than a particular one.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>To reply to the topic directly when Atheists write books about not believing in a god, having rallies, advertising(literally spreading the word and dedicated web sites), creating Atheist groups/organizations and developing what seems to be a movement then at the point it has become conceptually the same as a religion. All of these things are happening, and they seem to have strong convictions. one of the signs of a religious atheist or a dedicated Atheist is when said person consistently participates in topics of religion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0.75pt 2.25pt 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>In conclusion, I will say that many atheists can be considered religious, but not all. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:51pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br />The number of gods associated with a religion have zero bearing IMO because Polytheism is the foundation of Monotheism.&nbsp; Before all of the gods were condensed into one there were always many.&nbsp; Somehow we tend to believe that monotheism is the original norm when polytheism dominated the earth far longer until being crushed by religious zealots who wanted ONE god, <i>their god</i>, to be the standard.&nbsp; <br><br>Religions that don't believe in deities or have no spiritual aspects can literally be counted on one hand and are by no means prolific in modern society.&nbsp; Even Satanists acknowledge the existence of deities and spirits.<br><br>Anyway if you believe that me not believing in deities or spirits or demons or inferior races or witches or vampires or ghosts or Greek myths or Aesop fables or fairylands or unicorns is a religion that is actually okay with with me.&nbsp; <br><br><b><u>If you believe that I am enforcing those non-beliefs on you you're wrong. I would only do that because I would have a genuine concern about your mental stability if you REALLY believed in those non-existent things and that could actually hurt you in the life you are living here and now.</u>&nbsp; </b><u><b>If didn't birth you or marry you, I'm not that pressed to convince you that you might be delusional</b>.</u><br><br><font color="#666666">I'm confused by this statement because you said that you're not enforcing those non-beliefs while criticizing that one that believes in a God is delusional or that you question their "mental stability". <br><br>Isn't that a double standard as to saying that you won't press someone with scientific knowledge that a God doesn't exist but you are calling them dumb for believing in a God?</font><br><br><b><u>I am the type of anti-theist who doesn't really care what others believe as long as they don't use those beliefs to take away people's rights, kill people or bother me with foolishness.&nbsp; If that is a religion then I am indeed religious<img src="http://forum2.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" />.&nbsp;</u></b> <br><br><font color="#666666">According to America, the first amendment constitutes freedom of speech and religion. The government doesn't institute for anyone to believe in a religion but that everyone has the freedom to pick and choose what they want to say. So I feel like if you believe in a God, talk about him, don't hide it because someone doesn't believe in your view.<br><br>On the other hand, I don't believe that the government should coward behind religion to prohibit gay marriage because it his hypocritical towards the first amendment and it only segregates those religions that don't accept homosexual marriage from those that do. There are religions or lifestyles where the LGBT community is accepted and that diversity shouldn't be taken away in the name of say one religion like "Christianity" because not everyone in America is Christian. How I view God on my life doesn't mean I should deprive anyone from what they want to do with their lives.<br><br>I hate politics so I don't know all the amendments by heart but according to the amendments on marriage:<br><br></font><font color="#666666"><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size="-1">(1) a lawprohibitinga mentally retarded adult from marrying, (2) a law prohibiting firstcousinsfrom marrying, (3) a law prohibiting a brother from marrying hissister,(4) a law prohibiting polygamy,&nbsp; (5) a law prohibiting persons ofcertain incompatible blood types (predisposing offspring to defects ordisease) from marrying, and (6) a law prohibiting minors from marryingwithout the consent of parents or guardians.<br><br><br><font size="-1">But it doesn't mention gay marriage, the U.S. is just discriminati<font size="-1">ng and once a<font size="-1">gain t<font size="-1">hese popes and pastors want to stick their h<font size="-1">eads in<font size="-1"> like they did again<font size="-1">st <font size="-1">African-Americans<font size="-1"> although the <font size="-1">bible doesn't state to go around enslaving negroes in God's name</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>. <br><br><font color="#666666">As far as the corruption of religion, that's in all religions. I don't judge my religion based on that cause there's stories in the bible about that already.</font><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by SensitiveSwag - Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:52pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:24pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br />I don't believe in unicorns, dragons, ghosts or monsters either &lt;------ not religions IMO.<br><br>Others may call it a religion but speaking strictly for myself (a non-theist) I don't consider atheism a religion.&nbsp; <b>Non-believer</b> is the term I find most inaccurate. &nbsp; I believe in many, many things. &nbsp; There are just things I am pretty certain do not exist.&nbsp; I'm pretty certain there are no gods.&nbsp; <br><br>We do try our best to put everything under a category though don't we<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; Its like team werewolf vs. team vampire.&nbsp; Those don't exist either but I'm team vampire all day!</td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#FF0000"><b>There's no moral value, code of ethics, way of life to unicorns, dragons, ghosts, monsters, werewolves or vampires but if you believe that they do truly exist and you have faith in this carrying you throughout the day, it can be a religion of it's own.</b></font><br><br><font color="#666666">Team Moors created White people in labs and America was named after the Moors (A-Moor-rica) and not Amerigo Vespucci while the Olmecs were the first African settlers to discover America before the "Natives".</font> <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I completely agree and this is exactly the point, atheism doesn't have those things either.&nbsp;<b><u> Its a simple question of believing in gods vs not believing in gods.&nbsp; </u></b><br><br>The second part of your response is just um....IDK what in the world you're talking about<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; If you're referring to Yakub the mad scientist I think it is a hilarious story but a myth no different than women being created from somebody's rib.&nbsp; <br><br>Anyway I think I answered the question in the OP.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; <br></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">But not every religious person believes in a God. I know monks don't.</font><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 10:09am<br /><br />The number of gods associated with a religion have zero bearing IMO because Polytheism is the foundation of Monotheism.&nbsp; Before all of the gods were condensed into one there were always many.&nbsp; Somehow we tend to believe that monotheism is the original norm when polytheism dominated the earth far longer until being crushed by religious zealots who wanted ONE god, <i>their god</i>, to be the standard.&nbsp; <br><br>Religions that don't believe in deities or have no spiritual aspects can literally be counted on one hand and are by no means prolific in modern society.&nbsp; Even Satanists acknowledge the existence of deities and spirits.<br><br>Anyway if you believe that me not believing in deities or spirits or demons or inferior races or witches or vampires or ghosts or Greek myths or Aesop fables or fairylands or unicorns is a religion that is actually okay with with me.&nbsp; <br><br>If you believe that I am enforcing those non-beliefs on you you're wrong. I would only do that because I would have a genuine concern about your mental stability if you REALLY believed in those non-existent things and that could actually hurt you in the life you are living here and now.&nbsp; If didn't birth you or marry you, I'm not that pressed to convince you that you might be delusional.<br><br>I am the type of anti-theist who doesn't really care what others believe as long as they don't use those beliefs to take away people's rights, kill people or bother me with foolishness.&nbsp; If that is a religion then I am indeed religious<img src="http://forum2.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" />.&nbsp; <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:30am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br />I don't believe in unicorns, dragons, ghosts or monsters either &lt;------ not religions IMO.<br><br>Others may call it a religion but speaking strictly for myself (a non-theist) I don't consider atheism a religion.&nbsp; <b>Non-believer</b> is the term I find most inaccurate. &nbsp; I believe in many, many things. &nbsp; There are just things I am pretty certain do not exist.&nbsp; I'm pretty certain there are no gods.&nbsp; <br><br>We do try our best to put everything under a category though don't we<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; Its like team werewolf vs. team vampire.&nbsp; Those don't exist either but I'm team vampire all day!</td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#FF0000"><b>There's no moral value, code of ethics, way of life to unicorns, dragons, ghosts, monsters, werewolves or vampires but if you believe that they do truly exist and you have faith in this carrying you throughout the day, it can be a religion of it's own.</b></font><br><br><font color="#666666">Team Moors created White people in labs and America was named after the Moors (A-Moor-rica) and not Amerigo Vespucci while the Olmecs were the first African settlers to discover America before the "Natives".</font> <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I completely agree and this is exactly the point, atheism doesn't have those things either.&nbsp; Its a simple question of believing in gods vs not believing in gods.&nbsp; <br><br>The second part of your response is just um....IDK what in the world you're talking about<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; If you're referring to Yakub the mad scientist I think it is a hilarious story but a myth no different than women being created from somebody's rib.&nbsp; <br><br>Anyway I think I answered the question in the OP.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;02&nbsp;2012 at 7:08pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" alt="Originally posted by kfoxx1998" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>kfoxx1998 wrote:</strong><br /><br />I don't believe in unicorns, dragons, ghosts or monsters either &lt;------ not religions IMO.<br><br>Others may call it a religion but speaking strictly for myself (a non-theist) I don't consider atheism a religion.&nbsp; <b>Non-believer</b> is the term I find most inaccurate. &nbsp; I believe in many, many things. &nbsp; There are just things I am pretty certain do not exist.&nbsp; I'm pretty certain there are no gods.&nbsp; <br><br>We do try our best to put everything under a category though don't we<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; Its like team werewolf vs. team vampire.&nbsp; Those don't exist either but I'm team vampire all day!</td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">There's no moral value, code of ethics, way of life to unicorns, dragons, ghosts, monsters, werewolves or vampires but if you</font> <font color="#666666">believe that they do truly exist and you have faith in this carrying you throughout the day, it can be a religion of it's own.</font><br><br><font color="#666666">Team Moors created White people in labs and America was named after the Moors (A-Moor-rica) and not Amerigo Vespucci while the Olmecs were the first African settlers to discover America before the "Natives".</font> <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by SensitiveSwag - Nov&nbsp;02&nbsp;2012 at 7:15pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;02&nbsp;2012 at 6:59pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by PeacefulOne" alt="Originally posted by PeacefulOne" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>PeacefulOne wrote:</strong><br /><br />No, imo athesism in NOT a religion.&nbsp;<div><h3 ="r="" g0"=""><span style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 14px; PADDING-RIGHT: 15px">re·li·gion</span><span style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 7px; FONT: smaller 'Doulos SIL', 'Gentum', 'TITUS Cyberbit Basic', 'Junicode', 'Aborig&#111;nal Serif', 'Arial Unicode MS', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Chrysanthi Unicode'">/riˈlijən/</span> <div style=": ; WIDTH: 0px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 0px" id="pr&#111;nunciati&#111;n_flash"></div><span style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.7em" id="speaker_ic&#111;n" =speaker-ic&#111;n-listen-off="" -s="religi&#111;n.mp3" js="dict.l"></span></h3><div =s=""><t></t><t></t><table =ts=""><t><tr><td style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; COLOR: #666; PADDING-TOP: 5px" valign="top" width="80">Noun:</td><td style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" valign="top"><t></t><t></t><table =ts=""><t><tr><td><ol style="PADDING-LEFT: 19px"><li style="LIST-STYLE-: decimal">The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.</li><li style="LIST-STYLE-: decimal">Details of belief as taught or discussed.</li></ol></td></tr></t></table></td></tr><tr =#ddd="" height="1"><td colspan="2" height="1"><br></td></tr><tr><td style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; COLOR: #666; PADDING-TOP: 5px" valign="top" width="80"><br></td><td style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" valign="top"><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><span =hw="">a·the·ist</span> &nbsp;<span =pr&#111;n="">(<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif" border="0" />th<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif" border="0" />-<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gif" border="0" />st)</span> <div =pseg=""><i>n.</i> <div =ds-single="">One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.</div></div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></td></tr></t></table></div></div><div>&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">This is what I got when I looked up the definition of religion.<br><br></font><div ="er"=""><h2 ="me"="">re·li·gion</h2>  <span ="pr&#111;nset"=""><span></span> <span ="show_spellpr"="" style="display:inline;"><span ="pr&#111;ndelim"="">&#091;</span><span ="pr&#111;n"="">ri-<span ="boldface"="">lij</span>-<span ="ital-inline"="">uh</span><span ="luna-thinspace"=""></span>n</span><span ="pr&#111;ndelim"="">&#093;</span>  <span ="pr&#111;n_toggle"="" style="display: inline;"><a ="pr&#111;n"="" alt="Toggle for IPA" title="Click to show IPA">Show IPA</a></span></span></span> </div><span ="pg"=""><span id="hotword"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; 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cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">beliefs</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">and</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">practices:</span> </span><span ="ital-inline"=""><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" name="hotword">a</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">world</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">council</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">of</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">religions.</span> </span></span></div></div><div ="luna-ent"=""><span ="dnindex"=""><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" name="hotword">4.</span> </span></span><div ="dn"=""><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" name="hotword">the</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">life</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">or</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">state</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">of</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">a</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">monk,</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">nun,</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">etc.:</span> </span><span ="ital-inline"=""><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" name="hotword">to</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">enter</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">religion.</span> </span></span></div></div><div ="luna-ent"=""><span ="dnindex"=""><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" name="hotword">5.</span> </span></span><div ="dn"=""><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" name="hotword">the</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">practice</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">of</span> </span><span> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religious - religious </span><span id="hotword">&nbsp;<span id="hotword" name="hotword">beliefs;</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">ritual</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">observance</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">of</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">faith.</span> </span></div></div><br><font color="#666666">From what I read, I always assumed religion was a set of beliefs on how one views the world but also how those values in one's belief also paves the way in how one views his/her morals.<br><br>Buddhism is considered a religion but instead of believing in a God, they believe in a way of life or as we say a cast system built upon by reincarnation. <br><br>I still don't understand how religion can only be identified as having dogma attached to it because not all religions believe in a God. Some believe in several Gods and Goddesses, idols, the non-existence of a God but it's still categorized under a religion or way of life. The only way to not have a religion is to not analyze the non-existence of a God using scientific evidence nor to care because this leaves you to have the knowledge that you do not know whether or not God exist.<br><br>By you saying that you are 100% sure that God does not exist, you identify yourself into a religious category but for you to neither confirm nor deny the existence of God, you are non-religious.<br><br>When you speak to a believer and you try to persuade him/her out of their belief system of God, you are enforcing your belief or religion of the non-existence of a God upon them. Now if you choose not to care to enforce it because you, yourself do not know, you are non-religious.<br><br>Am I right or wrong? <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br></font><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by SensitiveSwag - Nov&nbsp;02&nbsp;2012 at 7:00pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35553">blaquefoxx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;01&nbsp;2012 at 8:08pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font color="#666666">Let's discuss this..<br><br>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<br><br>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<br><br>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<br><br><br></font></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>religion would be better defined as a belief with dogma or philosophy toward an idea, place or thing. theism, or simply acknowledging the existence of a god is not religious. Not acknowledging the existence of a god isn't religious either. however once you add dogma and some sort philosophy behind it then you have theistic religions and non-theistic religions, respectively. Also faith should not be considered a prerequisite to&nbsp;religion nor synonymous.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div></td></tr></table><i><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Agreed!</font></i>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10312">PeacefulOne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;01&nbsp;2012 at 3:27pm<br /><br />No, imo athesism in NOT a religion.&nbsp;<DIV><H3 ="r g0"><SPAN style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 14px; PADDING-RIGHT: 15px">re·li·gion</SPAN><SPAN style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 7px; FONT: smaller 'Doulos SIL', 'Gentum', 'TITUS Cyberbit Basic', 'Junicode', 'Aborig&#111;nal Serif', 'Arial Unicode MS', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Chrysanthi Unicode'">/riˈlijən/</SPAN> <DIV style=": ; WIDTH: 0px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 0px" id=pr&#111;nunciati&#111;n_flash></DIV><SPAN style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.7em" id=speaker_ic&#111;n =speaker-ic&#111;n-listen-off -s="religi&#111;n.mp3" js="dict.l"></SPAN></H3><DIV =s><TABLE =ts><T><TR><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; COLOR: #666; PADDING-TOP: 5px" vAlign=top width=80>Noun:</TD><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" vAlign=top><TABLE =ts><T><TR><TD><OL style="PADDING-LEFT: 19px"><LI style="LIST-STYLE-: decimal">The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.</LI><LI style="LIST-STYLE-: decimal">Details of belief as taught or discussed.</LI></OL></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR><TR height=1 =#ddd><TD height=1 colSpan=2></TD><TR><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; COLOR: #666; PADDING-TOP: 5px" vAlign=top width=80></TD><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" vAlign=top><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><SPAN =hw>a·the·ist</SPAN> &nbsp;<SPAN =pr&#111;n>(<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif" border="0" /><img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif" border="0" />th<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif" border="0" />-<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gif" border="0" />st)</SPAN> <DIV =pseg><I>n.</I> <DIV =ds-single>One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.</DIV></DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></TD></TR></T></TABLE></DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35077">kfoxx1998</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;31&nbsp;2012 at 8:55pm<br /><br />I don't believe in unicorns, dragons, ghosts or monsters either &lt;------ not religions IMO.<br><br>Others may call it a religion but speaking strictly for myself (a non-theist) I don't consider atheism a religion.&nbsp; <b>Non-believer</b> is the term I find most inaccurate. &nbsp; I believe in many, many things. &nbsp; There are just things I am pretty certain do not exist.&nbsp; I'm pretty certain there are no gods.&nbsp; <br><br>We do try our best to put everything under a category though don't we<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />.&nbsp; Its like team werewolf vs. team vampire.&nbsp; Those don't exist either but I'm team vampire all day!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;30&nbsp;2012 at 6:46pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bigheddz" alt="Originally posted by bigheddz" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bigheddz wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font color="#666666">Let's discuss this..<br><br>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<br><br>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<br><br>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<br><br><br></font></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>religion would be better defined as a belief with dogma or philosophy toward an idea, place or thing. theism, or simply acknowledging the existence of a god is not religious. Not acknowledging the existence of a god isn't religious either. however once you add dogma and some sort philosophy behind it then you have theistic religions and non-theistic religions, respectively. Also faith should not be considered a prerequisite to&nbsp;religion nor synonymous.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">My head hurts trying to dissect your concept. I guess your saying that one that has a religion in God has a belief in something with dogma attached to it to segregate the belief in a God itself as an entity of it's own but that still would put it under a religion. However not acknowledging God but also discrediting it with man's view on it being non-existent would mean you've put your belief in that man's knowledge which can also be defined as faith or assumption in that.<br><br>Unless you were there in the advent of time itself to see it exist as there not being a God hence being the first man not believing in a God wouldn't that make you have faith in something with that being a religion itself called atheism?<br></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;30&nbsp;2012 at 6:40pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by TokyoRose" alt="Originally posted by TokyoRose" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>TokyoRose wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font color="#666666">Let's discuss this..<br><br>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<br><br>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<br><br>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<br><br><br></font></td></tr></table><br><br>No.&nbsp; Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity.&nbsp; So, if not believing in something qualifies as a religion, then NOT stamp collecting should qualify as a hobby.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#666666">But aren't there religions that don't believe in a deity but an idea? If one that is atheist doesn't believe in a God, he/she would believe in that lack thereof a God which qualifies as a belief in something also defined as a religion. Is that true or false?</font><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=56519">bigheddz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;30&nbsp;2012 at 1:25pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><FONT color=#666666>Let's discuss this..<BR><BR>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<BR><BR>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<BR><BR>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<BR><BR><BR></FONT></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>religion would be better defined as a belief with dogma or philosophy toward an idea, place or thing. theism, or simply acknowledging the existence of a god is not religious. Not acknowledging the existence of a god isn't religious either. however once you add dogma and some sort philosophy behind it then you have theistic religions and non-theistic religions, respectively. Also faith should not be considered a prerequisite to&nbsp;religion nor synonymous.</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6006">TokyoRose</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;30&nbsp;2012 at 6:23am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" alt="Originally posted by SensitiveSwag" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SensitiveSwag wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font color="#666666">Let's discuss this..<br><br>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<br><br>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<br><br>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<br><br><br></font></td></tr></table><br><br>No.&nbsp; Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity.&nbsp; So, if not believing in something qualifies as a religion, then NOT stamp collecting should qualify as a hobby.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;29&nbsp;2012 at 8:17pm<br /><br /><font color="#666666">cool&nbsp;<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /><br><br>-swag<br></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=35553">blaquefoxx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;29&nbsp;2012 at 6:46pm<br /><br /><i><font size="3"><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I think so...</font></font></i>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=89047">SensitiveSwag</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350211<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;29&nbsp;2012 at 6:29pm<br /><br /><font color="#666666">Let's discuss this..<br><br>Would religion be defined as the belief in an idea whether it be a deity or a concept?<br><br>If so does that define atheism as a religion itself?<br><br>For one to assume that there is no God would that mean that that assumption ='s a faith that there is no God but in the science behind it?<br><br><br></font>]]>
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