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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views :   Meh..no big deal to me, as...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=32226">impervious99</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 10:10pm<br /><br />Meh..no big deal to me, as long as it's not something that affects how we do things as a whole.....but obviously like minded thoughts on political stances make the better and stable choice..]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views :  tell him it&amp;#039;s ok. Like...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=3198">PurpleHaze</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 4:56pm<br /><br /><img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br>tell him it's ok. Like they say, 'we/Dems survived Bush...'<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by PurpleHaze - Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 4:57pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10312">PeacefulOne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 4:54pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by PurpleHaze" alt="Originally posted by PurpleHaze" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>PurpleHaze wrote:</strong><br /><br />I've been dealing with some salty repubs today too.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>EXTRA salty at my house. S/O is walking around like his best dog died.&nbsp; <img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=3198">PurpleHaze</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:32pm<br /><br />lol]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views :   jonesable wrote:  PurpleHaze...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=48316">BeatriceBean</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:29pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jonesable" alt="Originally posted by jonesable" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jonesable wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by PurpleHaze" alt="Originally posted by PurpleHaze" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>PurpleHaze wrote:</strong><br /><br />I've been dealing with some salty repubs today too.<BR></td></tr></table> <BR><BR>Giiiiirrrrllllll</td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mmm-hmmm, thought I was at a funeral in my&nbsp;European&nbsp;literature course this morning. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>My TA and I&nbsp;strutted in on "Teach me How to Dougie" and all we got was <img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley22.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Stern Smile" title="Stern Smile" /></DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views :    EPITOME wrote:i can&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=11801">zsazsa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:28pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by EPITOME" alt="Originally posted by EPITOME" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>EPITOME wrote:</strong><br /><br />i can't even really be friends with republicans. they're a different animal.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>lol isn't that the truth? I can't even talk to a conservative. I get all funny and sh*t. God I hate David Cameron and his&nbsp;cronies.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67304">jonesable</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:26pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by PurpleHaze" alt="Originally posted by PurpleHaze" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>PurpleHaze wrote:</strong><br /><br />I've been dealing with some salty repubs today too.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Giiiiirrrrllllll]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=3198">PurpleHaze</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:23pm<br /><br />I've been dealing with some salty repubs today too.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=66718">ManeMessDeux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:21pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by BeatriceBean" alt="Originally posted by BeatriceBean" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>BeatriceBean wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ManeMessDeux" alt="Originally posted by ManeMessDeux" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ManeMessDeux wrote:</strong><br /><br />My boyfriend is a staunch Republican... <br><br>We joke that we're the reverse of James Carville &amp; Mary Matalin.<br><br>Unfortunately, he is taking this election loss extremely hard saying things like "<strong>We just witnessed the death of our country". <br><br></strong>I'm giving him a few more days of mourning and letting him rant so he can get it out of his system... <br><br>After day 3 hopefully he'll realize that the earth is still spinning and the sun still rises.<br><br>Would it be easier in certain situations to be with someone with the same political ideology as me? <br><br>Sure... But I fell in love with him... not his politics. <br><br></td></tr></table> <div>&nbsp;</div><div>For real doe?!</div></td></tr></table><br><br><br>Sadly, he feels that Obama allowed Iran to arm themselves with nuclear weapons and he believes Obamacare will bankrupt the country.<br><br>I tried to reason with him about the checks and balances system but then he threw out Executive Orders that Obama could use to further his "agenda"... Yeah, my boyfriend's a salty Republican right now... Hopefully it eases up in a few days. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=48316">BeatriceBean</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:16pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ManeMessDeux" alt="Originally posted by ManeMessDeux" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ManeMessDeux wrote:</strong><br /><br />My boyfriend is a staunch Republican... <BR><BR>We joke that we're the reverse of James Carville &amp; Mary Matalin.<BR><BR>Unfortunately, he is taking this election loss extremely hard saying things like "<strong>We just witnessed the death of our country". <BR><BR></strong>I'm giving him a few more days of mourning and letting him rant so he can get it out of his system... <BR><BR>After day 3 hopefully he'll realize that the earth is still spinning and the sun still rises.<BR><BR>Would it be easier in certain situations to be with someone with the same political ideology as me? <BR><BR>Sure... But I fell in love with him... not his politics. <BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>For real doe?!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=66718">ManeMessDeux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:13pm<br /><br />My boyfriend is a staunch Republican... <br><br>We joke that we're the reverse of James Carville &amp; Mary Matalin.<br><br>Unfortunately, he is taking this election loss extremely hard saying things like "We just witnessed the death of our country". <br><br>I'm giving him a few more days of mourning and letting him rant so he can get it out of his system... <br><br>After day 3 hopefully he'll realize that the earth is still spinning and the sun still rises.<br><br>Would it be easier in certain situations to be with someone with the same political ideology as me? <br><br>Sure... But I fell in love with him... not his politics. <br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by ManeMessDeux - Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 3:14pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=3198">PurpleHaze</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 2:21pm<br /><br />&nbsp;I quizzed hub on how he voted on everything when he got home. lol]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views : My husband isa Libertarian (registered...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=48316">BeatriceBean</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 2:15pm<br /><br />My husband is&nbsp;a Libertarian (registered as an independent), and I'm a Democrat. He SAYS that he voted for Obama twice but I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote in Ron Paul <img src="http://forum3.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley22.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Stern Smile" title="Stern Smile" />&nbsp;He was popping bottles last night though.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Things get heated but we love each other all the same. We have some very lively debates.</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views :    csungrl09 wrote:Reminds me...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=3198">PurpleHaze</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 2:10pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by csungrl09" alt="Originally posted by csungrl09" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>csungrl09 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Reminds me of james carville, the democratic strategist, he is married to a woman who is very active in the republican party. Yuck.</td></tr></table><br><br>that's exactly who I was thinking of, Carville and Matalin(sp?). They seem to make it work well. And have made $ off it <img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=15239">pinkextra</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 4:11pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br />Well....since most Black womens are hopelessly enslaved to the Democratic establishment, the situation in the OP will probably be my fate.&nbsp;<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" alt="Disapprove" title="Disapprove" /></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><font size="3">Well you can always get you a white "womanz". &nbsp;I'm sure she'll also be more forgiving of your midget stature!!<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67304">jonesable</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 3:47pm<br /><br />Could you have provided a more slanted article lol.<br /><br />]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[A House Divided: Opposing Political Views :    lovelife wrote:  blaquefoxx...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 3:34pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by lovelife" alt="Originally posted by lovelife" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>lovelife wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" alt="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>blaquefoxx wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br />I'm tryna be a sovereign citizen outchea.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><em>&lt;font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"&gt;Realest ish said in here...</em><br></td></tr></table> <br><br>Can anyone explain this to me? Some crazy guy on the bus was talking about it last year, but he was crazy, so I didn't pay him much attention.</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div><p>The <b>sovereign citizen</b> movement claims that a person has the right under <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Comm&#111;n_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">common law</font></u></a> (or at least their bizarre sham definition thereof) to declare him/herself as essentially a nation unto themselves, and therefore may not be subject to the law of the land where they live. It is closely associated, among other things, with such extreme <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Right_wing" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">right wing</font></u></a> causes as the <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Tax_protester" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">tax protester</font></u></a> movement and the <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Militia_movement" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">militia movement</font></u></a> in the <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/United_States" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">United States</font></u></a>. The term <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_&#111;n_the_land" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">freeman on the land</font></u></a> is a pseudolegal term assumed as a title by some would-be sovereigns, deriving from a complex and not-easily-explained <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/C&#111;nspiracy_theory" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">conspiracy theory</font></u></a> involving admiralty law and the Uniform Commercial Code. </p><p>Though a few <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/State" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">stateless</font></u></a> people exist in the world (most in permanent diplomatic limbo due to lack of any citizenship), and in the United States a few have somewhat arcane legal status allowing them to be citizens of their place of residence (currently recognized only in American Samoa and Swains Island) but not the U.S. at large, the idea that one can renounce one's citizenship in order to evade the laws of the land is not a right recognized in most countries. (U.S. courts generally consider this argument <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Frivolous" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">frivolous</font></u></a>.)  </p><table id="toc" ="toc"><t><tr><td><div id="toctitle"><h2>Contents</h2><span ="toctoggle"> &#091;<a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc" size="3">hide</font></u></a>&#093; </span></div><ul><li ="toclevel-1 tocsecti&#111;n-1"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#Scams" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font size="3"><font color="#0066cc"><u><span ="tocnumber">1</span> <span ="toctext">Scams</span></u></font></font></a></li><li ="toclevel-1 tocsecti&#111;n-2"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#Political_sociology" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font size="3"><font color="#0066cc"><u><span ="tocnumber">2</span> <span ="toctext">Political sociology</span></u></font></font></a></li><li ="toclevel-1 tocsecti&#111;n-3"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#See_also" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font size="3"><font color="#0066cc"><u><span ="tocnumber">3</span> <span ="toctext">See also</span></u></font></font></a></li><li ="toclevel-1 tocsecti&#111;n-4"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#External_links" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font size="3"><font color="#0066cc"><u><span ="tocnumber">4</span> <span ="toctext">External links</span></u></font></font></a></li><li ="toclevel-1 tocsecti&#111;n-5"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#Footnotes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font size="3"><font color="#0066cc"><span ="tocnumber">5</span> <span ="toctext">Footnotes</span></font></font></u></a></li></ul></td></tr></t></table><h2><span ="editsecti&#111;n">&#091;<a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sovereign_citizen&amp;acti&#111;n=edit&amp;secti&#111;n=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong><u><font color="#0066cc">edit</font></u></strong></a>&#093;</span> <span id="Scams" ="mw-line">Scams</span></h2><p>This claim is also associated with a few bizarre "debt elimination" scams which hold that if somebody files all the right paperwork with the government declaring themselves a sovereign citizen, they then have access to unlimited funds from the U.S. Treasury to pay off all their mortgages and other debts, similar to the theories of the <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Redempti&#111;n_movement" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">redemption movement</font></u></a>.  The gist of the argument is that the <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Social_Security" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">Social Security Act</font></u></a> established accounts at the U.S. Treasury for every American citizen and that declaring oneself a "sovereign citizen" gives one the legal right to issue "sight drafts" or "bills of exchange" which draw on your personal U.S. Treasury Account to pay off debts.  This is not true, and those who have fallen for this scam have found the only person who gained access to any funds as a result was the scammer who charged them money to learn about this bizarre debt elimination method at his seminar.</p><p>An indication of the intellectual limitations for many members of the movement is indicated by the response of a Texas motorist to a December 4, 2008 traffic stop. "I am Texas Republican sovereignty. I do not recognize this as a legal traffic stop." He has been reported to have said this.<sup id="cite_ref-0" ="reference"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#cite_note-0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc" size="2">&#091;1&#093;</font></u></a></sup></p><h2><span ="editsecti&#111;n">&#091;<a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sovereign_citizen&amp;acti&#111;n=edit&amp;secti&#111;n=2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong><u><font color="#0066cc">edit</font></u></strong></a>&#093;</span> <span id="Political_sociology" ="mw-line">Political sociology</span></h2><p>The sovereign citizen movement appears to be a direct descendant of the <a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_%28organizati&#111;n%29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc">Posse Comitatus</font></u></a> movement.  According to the Southern Poverty Law Center the movement may have as many as 300,000 members.<sup id="cite_ref-1" ="reference"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#cite_note-1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc" size="2">&#091;2&#093;</font></u></a></sup></p><p>Although populist antistatism is associated with rural and small town whites in the American West, it has also appeared among urban African American squatters in the American South.<sup id="cite_ref-2" ="reference"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#cite_note-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc" size="2">&#091;3&#093;</font></u></a></sup> The <i>Atlanta Journal Constitution</i> has described them as "paper terrorists" for having the effrontery to squat in empty luxury homes in south Dekalb County.<sup id="cite_ref-3" ="reference"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#cite_note-3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc" size="2">&#091;4&#093;</font></u></a></sup> DeKalb Deputy Chief Assistant District Attorney John Melvin expressed class outrage when he commented that, "It's amazing that these groups of citizens who like to proclaim they're Robin Hood only choose million-dollar homes. Shocking."  Presumably they should do their squatting in mobile homes or hovels.<sup id="cite_ref-4" ="reference"><a href="http://rati&#111;nalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen#cite_note-4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#0066cc" size="2">&#091;5&#093;</font></u></a></sup></p><p>Given the willingness to act on, rather than merely propound, their ideas, together with the selection of valuable properties for squatting, makes the movement resemble the "social banditry" that erupted in the past in predominantly peasant societies presenting extreme income inequality.  This is egalitarian redistribution of wealth tricked up in the familiar, traditional language that politically legitimizes action.  That it is occurring in an advanced industrial society, in the alienating suburbs of Atlanta, is novel.</p></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=82858">Naturalchick30</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 3:25pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by f8dagrate" alt="Originally posted by f8dagrate" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>f8dagrate wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" alt="Originally posted by Midwest_Da_Gawd" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Midwest_Da_Gawd wrote:</strong><br /><br />Well....since most Black womens are hopelessly enslaved to the Democratic establishment, the situation in the OP will probably be my fate.&nbsp;<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" alt="Disapprove" title="Disapprove" /></td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#006600"><b>not all of us</b></font><img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0" alt="T&#111;ngue" title="T&#111;ngue" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br><img src="http://i46.tinypic.com/v8pgnd.jpg" border="0" /><br><div></div><div></div></td></tr></table>lmao<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley11.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Dead" title="Dead" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=73783">csungrl09</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 2:04pm<br /><br />Reminds me of james carville, the democratic strategist, he is married to a woman who is very active in the republican party. Yuck.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=73783">csungrl09</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 2:01pm<br /><br />Nope. I can barely stand being friends with republicans, never mind sleeping with one!!! No thank you]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8991">SamoneLenior</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:43pm<br /><br /><br>they all use govt. funds and then act like their determination alone got them to where they are<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=27041">Afrocentchic</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:38pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Prazol60" alt="Originally posted by Prazol60" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Prazol60 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Wow I could not live with that at all. Because they earned it? What about poor people? Did they deserve to be poor?&nbsp;<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" alt="Angry" title="Angry" /></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>in his mind, and people like him yes. they throw around statements like " people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps." etc.&nbsp; So he feels as though the poor can pull themselves up but don't. <DIV><img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley22.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Stern Smile" title="Stern Smile" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The irony is his mother was on foodstamps after his parents divorced. And while he did go on to get his master's degree he was a full time hustler for a period of his life. He used federal aid to go to school.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Which is where I am baffled. Now that a brother has gotten over, it's suddenly cool to cut the bootstraps that weren't even that great to begin with, out from those that currently need it. Eff that son!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=87292">Prazol60</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:33pm<br /><br />Wow I could not live with that at all. Because they earned it? What about poor people? Did they deserve to be poor?&nbsp;<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" alt="Angry" title="Angry" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=56070">lovelife</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:32pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" alt="Originally posted by blaquefoxx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>blaquefoxx wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Sang Froid" alt="Originally posted by Sang Froid" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Sang Froid wrote:</strong><br /><br />I'm tryna be a sovereign citizen outchea. </td></tr></table><em>&lt;font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"&gt;Realest ish said in here...</font></em><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Can anyone explain this to me? Some crazy guy on the bus was talking about it last year, but he was crazy, so I didn't pay him much attention.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=27041">Afrocentchic</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:26pm<br /><br />my exfiance is a black republican....any time I talk to him about anything in the community he sounds like a sterotypical conservative repub. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>"millionares are rich because they earned it." </DIV><DIV>"the black community is in dispair because of laziness" </DIV><DIV>"they need to end welfare, medicade etc" </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>and don't get me started about his thoughts on women in general. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>There is no way in hell we could be together now. Nope. Do not want. My blood pressure goes up everytime the rhetoric starts. </DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10312">PeacefulOne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:17pm<br /><br />My s/o is republican.&nbsp;He is&nbsp; liberal morally, and I am conservative fiscally. It works because we do agree on some things: abortion should be legal,&nbsp; gays should be able to marry, guns are a constitutional right.<DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>Lower taxes. Separation of church and state.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Last election he congratulated me and gave me flowers.<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley27.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Heart" title="Heart" /></DIV><DIV>When he criticizes Obama, I say "shut up you voted for Dubbya"<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Angry" title="Angry" /></DIV><DIV>Every election he buys 5000 rounds of ammunition, because he thinks guns are gonna be banned.<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley29.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wacko" title="Wacko" /></DIV><DIV>He's pissed cause his taxes went up.&nbsp;<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley13.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Disapprove" title="Disapprove" /></DIV><DIV>He wants to stop illegal immigration and lock the borders.<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Ouch" title="Ouch" /></DIV><DIV>He's mad that Obama is "forcing" him to buy medical insurance.<img src="http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/smileys/smiley31.gif" height="17" width="45" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><DIV>We have some heated debates, and he tells me I make him think.</DIV><DIV>I will never admit to him&nbsp;that he makes me think too.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>He is a good person, and politics is not the most important thing in a relationship.&nbsp; Neither is religion. Or race. </DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=28473">Jr1127</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 10:11pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by TokyoRose" alt="Originally posted by TokyoRose" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>TokyoRose wrote:</strong><br /><br />It works for my parents.&nbsp; My mom is a Republican and my dad is a Democrat.&nbsp; They never talk about politics, though.&nbsp; When the topic comes up, dad always swears he didn't marry her when she was like that.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Since Democrats and Republicans run the spectrum when it comes to beliefs, it would really depend on what his position was in terms of things like reproductive rights, equal pay for equal work and other issues.&nbsp; If he is 100% anti-abortion and agrees with Akin about the pseudo-science of rape, then I would have to show the guy the door.</div></td></tr></table><div>I remember read were you said that both you have a different view on religion too. What a good relationship that they have to respect each other view.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=13167">ThoughtCouture</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:35pm<br /><br />no.&nbsp; i could not.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=67304">jonesable</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:31pm<br /><br />I'm with someone who is 100 percent against abortion.<br />I'm pro choice for other ppl but I would never abort and I feel like it is wrong.<br /><br />But my choice side comes out when we get into debates.<br />I tell him he needs to take his penis and shut up.<br /><br />We get into it over stuff but I wouldn't leave him for it.<br />It's fun<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by jonesable - Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:31pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/member_profile.asp?PF=18411">EPITOME</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 350518<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 9:27pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by carolina cutie" alt="Originally posted by carolina cutie" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>carolina cutie wrote:</strong><br /><br />Epitome, stop picking on MM. <br><br>He and Nita are going to get married and make some cute basement babies. You just wait.<img src="http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/smileys/smiley14.gif" border="0" alt="Approve" title="Approve" /><br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>i will be there....throwing shade and sipping tea</div>]]>
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