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y'all beat me. I can't stand when some folks base how we should be doing as a whole on the minority that is allowed (yes allowed) to slide through. I don't understand how folks don't see that media/The Man loves to use those folks against us. And these are the same millionaires that can't do nothing substantial for their people. Other folks when they hit millions will donate all kinds of this that and the third (and still get the tax write off) but black millionaires...most will only visit a poor school and hand out some T-shirts or summin'. Cause they know if they show any type of true love and try to bring their people up they themselves will take a fall. Goes to show you that even in the upper echelons black folks hit a ceiling. I have no idea where i'm going with this...but please note the use of "some" and "most".


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Originally posted by laddie laddie wrote:

Originally posted by uppitynegroid uppitynegroid wrote:

I'm not a fan of either mentally. The bootstraps or the "woe is us." Neither is useful.

I personally don't believe that current systemic racism is the problem. There are too many black people (many foreign) succeeding in spite of it. A significant amount are doing better than the average White American. The problem are the people who are entrenched in an endless viscous cycle from the systemic racism of the past couple hundred years. They are the ones that don't have the tools or the foundation to progress. Its very sad.


Foreign "blacks" are not the same blacks this article is talking about. Everyone knows that Africans who are fob fare much better than the blacks who have been here. 

What significant amount of black people are doing better than the average white American? Confused
The average white American with only a high school diploma/GED has better chance of getting and keeping a job than a black person with a college degree? Factor in how much easier it is for a white person to get secure a housing loan, car loan, and any other white privilege loan or hand out...and I'm just not sure how much better the significant amount is doing.

Please don't allow the token blacks and the 5% African-American corporate workers to represent the whole. Because overall, racism continues to have far-reaching effects on ALL blacks (especially those who were born here). 



The article is about blacks. I wrote my post about the perspective of foreign blacks living in the US. I thought that was obvious. Apparently not.
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One thing that's interesting about BHM is that dissenting opinions on the Black experience are not valued. I am black, living in the US, but my opinion of being black in the US is not valid? I grew up with dozens of foreigners, many illegal who moved to this country with nothing and most of them are living upper middle class today. BHM doesn't want to hear that though. That means you are looking down at other blacks...or "you're buying into a dream"... or you're ignoring statistics.

I am not a statistic, and neither are the people I grew up around. We are human beings and many of us are doing well. I don't' know why that takes away from the argument that other blacks aren't fairing well for reasons outside of their control. Its like some people only want to hear one side.
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Uppity. I don't think it's just that folks want to hear one side. It's just seems that when folks speak on those who do make it...it's made to seem like the folks who don't...it's all their fault. Like these folks made it why can't you? They are used against us in a way to absolve any wrong doings and unfair dealings.


I think most here are happy to see black folks make it.

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Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

them crackas smell like wet dogs!
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Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

Uppity. I don't think it's just that folks want to hear one side. It's just seems that when folks speak on those who do make it...it's made to seem like the folks who don't...it's all their fault. Like these folks made it why can't you? They are used against us in a way to absolve any wrong doings and unfair dealings.


I think most here are happy to see black folks make it.
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america is not racist, we have a black president
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Originally posted by uppitynegroid uppitynegroid wrote:

One thing that's interesting about BHM is that dissenting opinions on the Black experience are not valued. I am black, living in the US, but my opinion of being black in the US is not valid? I grew up with dozens of foreigners, many illegal who moved to this country with nothing and most of them are living upper middle class today. BHM doesn't want to hear that though. That means you are looking down at other blacks...or "you're buying into a dream"... or you're ignoring statistics.

I am not a statistic, and neither are the people I grew up around. We are human beings and many of us are doing well. I don't' know why that takes away from the argument that other blacks aren't fairing well for reasons outside of their control. Its like some people only want to hear one side.


I personally don't want to hear that in a "blacks are to blame for their problems" thread. I'd love to hear that in a thread about black prosperity.
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I am an American black, and I also have American blacks around me who started with little and are thriving.  My or their or whomever being "successful" doesn't change the fact that blacks whether American or not are not thriving to the level they should be considering what my ancestors in this country have actually contributed and gone through.  Are some people not ambitious, not going anywhere?  Sure. But it's a different ball game when you have lived for HUNDREDS of years in a country where the MAJORITY of the people in it have been doing everything they can to make sure you don't thrive and hopeful don't survive, even to the point of violence/terror to make sure that you don't.  That doesn't happen overtly anymore.  Black people who have been here a generation or two cannot know what that is like.  Blacks all over have put up with crap from whites.  But very few countries do you have whites ALL around you trying to make sure you fail.  For generations.  It's different.  Despite that, I don't see all black Americans as the failures some want us to believe that we are.  So no, I can't say your opinion is AS VALID as mine.  And trust me, my family is successful, but I have not nor will not take that for granted and put others in some sort of why can't they do it too box.  It's more complex than that.
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I have been incredibly blessed but that does not mean that racism doesn't affect me or black in my position or blacks not in my position.

Racism adversely affect us all but has a disastrous effect on millions, although thousands get unique opportunities 

I've benefited from unique opportunities, that make me grateful not dismissive 



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