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using that rational (two languages) and only spending 7.5hrs at school/day wouldnt their command of english thus be poorer?

if english is their second language of course!

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Plus it might be that since most Africans and Indians are bilingual but tend to speak in their native language at home or with others of the same ethnic and their kids learn English at school.  I read somewhere that kids who grew up speaking a second language have a more developed English vocabulary.  Or something of that nature, I forget.
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Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


it's not simply black vs white



nor is it simply language.

the only way out of poverty isnt by speaking well, its by creating economic opportunities that are fair and removing the inequities that foster poverty

the article is an excuse

blame the poor people yet again
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Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

using that rational (two languages) and only spending 7.5hrs at school/day wouldnt their command of english thus be poorer?

if english is their second language of course!


I don't think so.  Don't forget that there is TV, social media, and printed material.  Plus kids (10 and under) tend to learn languages faster than older children and adults.  I read somewhere a lot of brain growth happens between the ages of 0 - 3 years.  This is where the base of learning occurs and kind of sets the stage in how successful a child will be in school. 
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Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


it's not simply black vs white



nor is it simply language.

the only way out of poverty isnt by speaking well, its by creating economic opportunities that are fair and removing the inequities that foster poverty

the article is an excuse

blame the poor people yet again


An Excuse?

No where in the article did I read that the breadth of ones' vocabulary will solve ALL economic inequalities. It's simply one of many factors that contribute to the under-performance of low-income children. 
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Originally posted by NARSAddict NARSAddict wrote:

Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

how do poor africans and indians have a better understanding and wider english vocabulary than their first world world immigrants?


My opinion is that majority of Africans and Indians that comes to the US tends to be college educated and thus tend to focus more on education early on.  More likely to spend money on books than on latest shoes and clothes.  Again my opinion.

I really need people to stop propagating this lie. I have met maybe a handful of Africans who came to the Americas with a degree. The majority of our parents started off with nothing and either won some form of lottery or high tailed it over here through any means necessary via a sister or brother who was already here.

My father had a high school education and my mother a middle school education when she came. However, she made SURE I always had a book in my hand. She didn't take any sh*t from me when it came to school. It was literally do or die in my family. Asian and African immigrants simply do not take their education for granted when given the opportunity to receive one.



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i have grown up around plenty of poor children, none of them have language issues. and saying that poor women don't speak to their kids is just plain insulting. the kids i know spoke the non-standard english the same way they were spoken to. so basically all this article is saying is that children who grow up in households with with poor standard english language skills will themselves have poor standard english language skills and will therefore will be at a disadvantage when competing in a society that refuses to acknowledge the way they speak at home as a legitimate dialect and therefore requiring a specialized way of teaching standard english in schools vs. native "standard" english speakers.


and i'm not sure how nationality came up in this thread, it has no place IMO. 
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Originally posted by trudawg trudawg wrote:

Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


it's not simply black vs white



nor is it simply language.

the only way out of poverty isnt by speaking well, its by creating economic opportunities that are fair and removing the inequities that foster poverty

the article is an excuse

blame the poor people yet again


An Excuse?

No where in the article did I read that the breadth of ones' vocabulary will solve ALL economic inequalities. It's simply one of many factors that contribute to the under-performance of low-income children. 


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nvm.. let me read it all 



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Originally posted by melikey melikey wrote:

i have grown up around plenty of poor children, none of them have language issues. and saying that poor women don't speak to their kids is just plain insulting. the kids i know spoke the non-standard english the same way they were spoken to. so basically all this article is saying is that children who grow up in households with with poor standard english language skills will themselves have poor standard english language skills and will therefore will be at a disadvantage when competing in a society that refuses to acknowledge the way they speak at home as a legitimate dialect and therefore requiring a specialized way of teaching standard english in schools vs. native "standard" english speakers.


and i'm not sure how nationality came up in this thread, it has no place IMO. 


Melikey, I think you're misunderstanding the point. It's nothing to do with language skills and dialect. It amounts to lack of exposure to a vast array of words in the vocabulary. For instance, if you're not talking about computer processors in your home, then chances are, you're children won't know WTF a computer processor is at a younger age.


Edited by trudawg - Jan 01 2014 at 3:11am
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