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Oh gosh my products are all wrong. They're Brazilian keratin and the main ingredient is coconut oil and they contain silicone which I'm guessing is what cones are. Ima try adding baking soda. Anyone know of products that follow tatee's post that's also free of sulfates, parabens, etc. I think I found some products from sally's that seem promising but if u got recommendations I'll take them:)
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BB, here's a link to a low porosity product thread on LHCF:

http://www.longhaircare forum.com/showthread.php?t=712237&highlight=low+porosity+products
(Sorry can't make it clickable)

Still baggying Cleo. Prolly take it off late afternoon- early evening. Airdry in plaits, brush out in am and bun.
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I have medium porosity hair, which she says in the video is great.
I need a conditioner with hydrolyzed protein, and so far I found Aphogee Intensive 2 minute Keratin Reconstructor, and the ingredients were not bad: no sulfates and only one silicone. Not sure if methylparaben and propylparaben are parabens because of the ending of the word. Might be. I will continue to research for conditioners. I am considering not using shampoo for a while and wash my hair with apple cider vinegar. I also thought in purchasing this ayurvedic shampoo from India since the oil and the masque both are made with ayurvedic herbs and my hair is much nicer now.

Ingredients of Aphogee Intensive 2 minute Keratin Reconstructor:

Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 60, Behenamidopropylamine Behenatem Stearolkonium Chloride, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cocodimonium Hydrolyzed Hair Keratin, Hydrolzed Mucopolysac Charides, Sodium Coco Collagen Amino Acids, Wheat Germ Fatty Acids, Linoleic Acid, Linolenic Acid, Arachidonic Acid, Squalane, Avocado Oil, Acetimide MEA, Panthenol, Wheat Germ Oil, Jojoba Oil, Tocopherol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Sulfur, Amodimethicone, Polyquaternium 10, Linoleamidopropyl PG Dimonium, Chloride Phosphate, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Nonoxynol 10, Cocoyl Sarcosine, Sorbitol, Fragrance, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben.
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Originally posted by Brazilianbabe Brazilianbabe wrote:

Oh gosh my products are all wrong. They're Brazilian keratin and the main ingredient is coconut oil and they contain silicone which I'm guessing is what cones are. Ima try adding baking soda. Anyone know of products that follow tatee's post that's also free of sulfates, parabens, etc. I think I found some products from sally's that seem promising but if u got recommendations I'll take them:)


Trader Joe's shampoo and conditioner from the Tea Tree line do not have silicones or sulfates. I have been using it for over a year.


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Here BB, sulfates to avoid:

  • Alkylbenzene sulfonates
  • Alkyl Benzene Sulfonate
  • Ammonium laureth sulfate
  • Ammonium lauryl sulfate
  • Ammonium Xylenesulfonate
  • Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate
  • Sodium cocoyl sarcosinate
  • Sodium laureth sulfate
  • Sodium lauryl sulfate
  • Sodium lauryl sulfoacetate
  • Sodium myreth sulfate
  • Sodium Xylenesulfonate
  • TEA-dodecylbenzenesulfonate
  • Ethyl PEG-15 cocamine sulfate
  • Dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate

silicones to avoid:


  • Dimethicone
  • Bisaminopropyl dimethicone
  • Cetearyl methicone
  • Cetyl Dimethicone
  • Cyclopentasiloxane
  • Stearoxy Dimethicone
  • Stearyl Dimethicone
  • Trimethylsilylamodimethicone
  • Amodimethicone
  • Dimethicone
  • Dimethiconol
  • Behenoxy Dimethicone
  • Phenyl trimethicone

Here's a list of ingredients that look like silicones, or are water soluble silicones. These are exceptions that are OK:

  • Lauryl methicone copolyol (water soluble)
  • Lauryl PEG/PPG-18/18 Methicone
  • Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein Hydroxypropyl Polysiloxane (water soluble)
  • Dimethicone Copolyol (water soluble)
  • PEG-Dimethicone, or any other 'cone with "PEG-" suffix (water soluble)
  • Emulsifying Wax
  • PEG-Hydrogenated Castor Oil
  • Natural oils: Avocado oil, Olive oil, Coconut oil, etc.
  • Benzophenone-2, ( or 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) - sunscreen
  • Methychloroisothiazolinone - preservative
  • Methylisothiazolinone - preservative

Here is a list of moisturizing alcohols to look for:

  • Behenyl alcohol
  • Cetearyl alcohol
  • Cetyl alcohol
  • Isocetyl alcohol
  • Isostearyl alcohol
  • Lauryl alcohol
  • Myristyl alcohol
  • Stearyl alcohol
  • C30-50 Alcohols
  • Lanolin alcohol


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soluble in water:


  • dimethicone copolyol
  • hydrolyzed wheat protein
  • hydroxypropyl polysiloxane
  • lauryl methicone copolyol
  • amodimethicone (e) trideceth-12 or 6(e) and cetrimonium chloride but they have to be in the same composition and it doesn't matter if they are followed by each other
  • peg-33 and peg-8 dimethicone and peg-14
  • peg-7 amodimethicone
  • dimethcione PEG-8 phosphate
  • ammonium dimethcione peg-7 sulfate
  • methylchloroisothiazolinone (preservative)
this is from a list I saw a long time ago; it repeats some of what I posted.


bad: mineral oil, petrolatum, , liquid parafin, polydimethylsiloxane


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Wow thanks s&f:) I'll check out trader's Joe. I was lookin into burts bees but that stuff is expensive:/ next week I should be able to get a chelating shampoo. I've been sealing my ends and applying a bit of heat then covering w/ a hat or scarf when I go outside. It looks ok. Still seeing some new split ends but not horrible. This weekend I'll dc with baking soda added.
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Lorainne Massey started this propaganda against silicone containing products in her curly girl book and Deva care salon. The following is an assessment from another person with fine, porous hair like me  She and I find cones work well for our hair type"When I first jumped off the Curly Girl (CG) Bandwagon, I fell right into a vat of amodimethicone.  The old DevaCare formulation contained this silicone and it did amazing things for my hair.  What was once dry was now soft, and what was once tangled... smooth.  No longer avoiding silicones like the plague, I began experimenting with great success.  I've found that my fine strands require some silicone action for less stressful detangling sessions and more productive styling sessions... they protect my hair from some of the wear and tear of detangling, help my highly porous strands stand up to humidity and keep the moisture from wash day in much longer.  After extended use, I found fewer single strand knots, fewer split ends and less breakage."http://www.curlynikki.com/2012/08/understanding-silicones-natural-hair.html

I will let you in on a story to help understand. Since I started using cones,  I went out yesterday in rain and drizzle. My hair would have normally turned into a frizz ball  and looked destroyed since I am natural and porous. It still did revert but a little less so with the cones. I use moisturizers and seal several times a week to help with moisture. And my hair type does tear very easily because it is SO fine like cotton candy. But the cone coatings do help to make mine a tiny bit more resistant to tearing like tissue paper at detangle time with all these natural curls. So thanks for your list for girls with non porous  hair. But for at least some of us with  really fine, very porous hair, Silicones are a life saver in this hair growing game.  Like I always say, everyone's hair requires something different.

PS: Silicones are the main ingredients in the old frizz busting serums.  A lot lighter than castor oil that folk rave about, but again... helpful for retaining moisture and avoiding frizz on fine curly, porous hair.
I think one of the main reasons Lorraine Massey promotes silicone free products in her Curly Girl Method is because, as a Caucasian woman, she is promoting hair SHRINKAGE to make tighter curls.  As a Black woman I do not want more shrinkage, rather I'd prefer more curl elongation. Silicones HELP with that.  So there is no right or wrong, rather it is all about your hair and what YOU want out of your hair. 
I will have to remain on the modified CG method because 
1) I like elongating my curls with twisting buns, etc (The true CG Method discourages techniques to loosen the curls like bantu knots)
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2) I enjoy cone containing serums to sleek the hair.
I do follow the other techniques of cowashing and avoiding heat, etc for healthy hair. I do think a MODIFIED curly girl method is a good option for a lot of women of color as our hair has different needs than the creator of the CG method who is white.


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Another lady's take on Lorraine Massey's Curly girl Devacut salon VS  her normal Dominican salon and techniques.

Remember Lorrain Massey's book and salon created by a white woman for people with curly are against silicones while the ethnic Dominican salons are PRO silicone.

I  resent her repackaging our hair techniques we've been using for centuries and selling them back to us while laughing all the way to the bank. I do like that the curly girl movement is encouraging people to work with our own hair. But she is off the mark regarding many of the restrictions of products which are actually helpful to ethnic hair according to many entire countries of curly haired people like the Dominican Republic and Brazil where people actually have worked with this hair for centuries. Taking the word of ONE WHITE woman who just started working with her own curly hair a few years ago  over all of them seems quite ignorant and self racism IMO.
Regarding her haircutting technique, it is an over glorified search and destroy mixed with simply eyeballing it. It produces VERY disastrous results.

See 2:10 in the video to see how jacked up these cuts really are.
I appreciate Lorrain for bringing attention to people to try to work with curly hair and not fear it. I appreciate her trying to develop techniques to cut it without needing to straighten it first....  Unfortunately, these jacked up results above are not any I would ever want. So Brazilian and Dominican products and techniques are what I will stick to as opposed listening to one white woman who just tried to wear her own hair curly for the first time just a few years ago and decided to carry the experience to the bank by writing a book about it. I'd rather stick with the knowledge of entire countries of people with mixed people with curly hair.
Just my opinion. 


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